On today’s round table we discuss:
1) The Prince of Peace – The God of War
2) Why is Superman under performing?
3) New Hulk News
4) I am Legend
5) He-Man with Triple H?
6) Roger Ebert and his health problems
7) Doug’s new favorite Documentary (Besides POP-GOW)
All this and a few things more.
Warning: This podcast contains language that may not be suitable for even sailors. Listener discretion is advised.
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Dear John,
Script:
I not a diehard but the movie was adequate to say the least, the story was well crafted and written, but some of the line the writer just lifted from an old superman 1 or 2 video. I can understand if the character saying a few catch lines, but they took mega lines from the old videos and turned them into catch phrases. The story had holes in it. Bryan singers wanted to attach this to superman 2 so much he for got to look at the very last shot in SM2 he flew to the white house and apologized to the president for being away for a week wile general ZOD was reeking mayhem. And then you sell me that he leaves for more than 5 years after fighting 3 super strong villains. I’m not being picky but he wanted to maintain the flavor from those movies then the criticism is correct.
Actors:
Kevin spacey must to been told to do a bad gene Hickman, then he delivered. But, if he was to do an original Lex luthor it could have been better. You can look at the new adventures of super cartoon, or the justice league unlimited, Lex has an agenda superman isn‚Äôt the focus. I agree with you on louse lane I don‚Äôt see Louis lane as being that pretty see need to be a little hard around the edges, but superman seem to like it. And now for the big issue. I have watched SM1 & SM2 Chris reeves delivered countless amount lines and for the most part everyone including Bryan singer himself touted him to be the template of how superman should be played. If I print out the total script for superman returns and then move all of Brandon rouths lines to separate sheets it would come out less than 4 pages of lines at the most double spaced. It was like watching marcelle marsole play superman. And yes acting isn‚Äôt just lines its looks, stairs, glances… all that considered he still did nothing to out do Chris reeves take. I think win you look at a movie like this you have to take away all the eye candy (flying, spaces orbit shots, superman catching thing/ people, etc…) and look at the overall story with was unfulfilling. The story alone should give me a reason to want another sequel, all we got is we can watch Superman raise his son (Oh fun). Where‚Äôs was the build up for the sequel. Also at this point Bryan singer should make a comic book movie for the fan and see what happens no more Lex, please bring Dark Side and his minions from apocalypse that seen superman small space pod fly by this last time he returned to earth and followed it. Have him kill superman‚Äôs son and Louis. Sounds over the deep end but this are how the modern comic novel are written now.
Hey – I’m a girl and I can’t wait to see The Transformers next summer! Then again….I’ve never been the “typical” girl. My brother’s wife won’t go near Transformers, so it’ll be a day with my brother for me!
John/Doug/Darren – great podcast as always.
And I agree with Darren – there should have been mention of The Devil Wears Prada. I saw it and Meryl Streep gave a wonderful performance. Not to mention the movie itself paints a good picture of the publishing world.
To my CoP pal Jose: while I’m not a big Transformers fan, the guys who want to see this film w/thier girlfriends are going to handcuff them to thier wrists. If they still refuse, guys need new girlfriends…
Doug………….Have you seen the Metallica documentary “Some Kind of Monster”? If your a fan of the band you might want to check it out. It was released in 2004 and is pretty good.
I have to give props to my CoP co-writer for mentioning The Devil Wears Prada! I would have mentioned it myself but Darren beat me to it.
John, as a sophistocated movie goer that you are, you failed to mention the second place finisher at the box office this week. Almost 30 million was taken from Superman’s stash.
Even though Superman is a quasi chick flick, women would prefer a real chick flick. You guys seem to forget that the fairer sex watches more movies that guys–another argument going against Transformers!
Transformers will Not bring in females at the theater unless they have some Brokeback Moutain–Romeo & Juliet scenes between Starscream and Prime.
If you don’t believe me, look at the success of Titanic–the biggest box office holder of all time. The majority of that audience were teenage girls who wanted to see Leo.
And the t-2000 guy you speak of is Robert Patrick.
It’s weird. I went with my sis to an advance screening of Supes, and people were over the moon for it. My sis went with my father to a paid screening, and she said people came out grumbling. I don’t get why. It rocked.
And yeah, Pirates is gonna be HUGE. I went up to the theater today, and the long line wasn’t for Supes, it was to get advance tickets for Pirates.
We should bare in mind that this summer has been a really crappy one for blockbusters period. MI3 underperformed, Poseidon flopped, The Omen vanished after a week, Cars was the first Pizar dissapointment (though i hear it’s doing ok), X3 and DaVinci Code had a sharp drop off in their second week and Supes is just another casualty.
If what you said in your review is true John (about the charm being gone and the characters being really unlikeable) then the same thing will happen to Pirates 2.
The Devil Wears Prada
Not ONE mention of the film which took in 27 million to nab second place this week. Odd.
See, I’m willing to bet all the ladies didn’t believe Singer and went to see Anne Hathaway.
More to the point, Anne Hathaway is more stunning than Kate Bosworth.
“Prada” performed ‘above expectations’. You can’t tell me that on Friday if ‘Superman’ took in around 17 mil, that the surprise film didn’t take at least a small chunk out of that.
John! Doug : Anne Hathaway! How in the world did you miss that!?
Did it also occur to anyone, aside from the ladies bailing out on Supes to see Prada, that there is a lot of folks who did not entirely like ‘Superman Returns’? It would not surprise me if Superman slipped to third by the end of next week. (We all know Pirates will make Supey walk the plank).
As for Triple H, it should be said that a good handful of the ‘wrestlers’ are over the top actors in thier own right. Also, thre are some, that if given a good director, can be in a favorably good film. John Woo would make Triple H look good. John Carpenter made Rowdy Piper look good, and Peter Perg made Rock look good.
Besides, Woo directed the former He-Man, Dolph Lundgren, in “Blackjack” a TV movie which went to video, and made Dolph look good. Thinking it over now, how many Dolphs are out there now? Why not Triple H?
But if there can be someone else, let there be someone else…who can act.
-sealer wishes all fellow Americans a safe and great fourth of July, but wishes he were in Florida to watch Space Shuttle Discovery launch. I envy all you lucky ducks who get to see that on Idie day.
I’m in two minds about this Triple H thing for He-man. I thought he was total shite in Blade Trinity, he was kinda gay in it, wasn’t he?!?!
(Ryan Reynolds should be killed for that acting in Blade)
He would look cool as he-man, just once he didn’t have to actually act, just killing and hurting would be good.
And great edition. One of the funiest ones in a while!
Triple H would be fantastic as He-Man. I’m totally digging this idea.
As for Anne, she’s been a religious freak for years but only since the her husband’s death has she really “re-discovered” the church. I will say this much, I’m a fan of all her work including “Christ the Lord”. It’s a fictional account of Jesus as a child and it featured her best writing in years (pretty much since “Pandora”). As for movies based on her works, IWAV is the only one that counts – and I almost forgot the TV Mini-Series “Feast of All Saints” which was also pretty decent, as for the rest….SHITE. ALL OF IT!
– John Lithgow is an awesome awesome actor! A lot of his earlier roles were as bad guys. He played the sleazy murderer for Brian De Palma in Obsession, Blow Out and in Raising Cain he played the hero AND the bad guy brother AND their father. Amazing movie and he completely hams it up. He’s a genius! I only saw those movies after being a fan of Third Rock From The Sun so it was even more awesome.
Why Supreman may have failed:
1. The famous words: This is a chick-flick
2. Pissed of X-Men-fans boycotted it
I haven’t seen ‘Superman Returns’ yet. I’ve made plans twice that have falled though. Maybe that’s happened to several million others aswell. You mentioned Lithgow. Lithgow in ‘Blowout’: sinister. Great film.
Doug shows restraint?! That’s no fun. Come on, I wanna hear the offensive thing you were gonna say about Ebert. It can’t be worse than the Reeves comment. Which nearly killed me, I might add.
Always entertaing, fellas.
Cheers!
So far this year, the only films that I have seen in the theater that I have really liked/loved have been Nochnoi Dozor, United 93, Munich, and Superman Returns. Superman Returns is easily the best of that bunch and will probably end up being my favorite film of the year(unless something else come out later this year which is just phenomenally better). United 93 and Munich may have hit me harder emotionally, but in terms of pure cinematic geek joy, Superman takes home the prize. Shit, Superman Returns is the only film I’ve liked enough so far this year to brave the gad-awful experience known as “the movie theater” more than once… and that is saying a whole helluva lot!
I just hope and pray that Superman Returns will grow the legs that it will need to carry it through the rest of the summer. Superman Returns really deserves to have done better than it has. Make no mistake though, even though this film hasn’t made the B.O. killing that most of us were hoping it would, it is by no means a financial failure(not yet anyway). Besides, even if–and I think this is highly unlikely–in the long run, Superman Returns is considered to have been an unsuccessful financial gamble, it is still a cinematic masterpiece and no one–not even all the whiney fanboy bitches of the world put together–can ever take that away from Singer and Co…
Just went to see SR tonight in Toronto, to be honest i love these kinds of movies (Batman , X Men)but i had no desire to see Superman. I thought it would have brutal acting and be nothing more than a special effects showcase.
Holy shit that movie was sick dirty !!!!
Usually after a 3 hr movie in the theatre my back is about ready to seize up, but i could have watched another hr of this
Crowd went nuts when it finished
Superman Returns is the only movie since Lord of the Rings that I’ve gone to see more than once but I get what you mean about movie viewers could be disenfranchised from Superman. However, most people I’ve talked to who have seen the movie loved it.
Hey john,
I know you thought the Supes movie was magnificent but aside from the critics (Which had a 90% positive review rate), the audience seems very split on the movie. Look at your own bloggers, some love it, some hated it and the audience I went to go see it with, though packed, was somewhat lukewarm to the movie. No one clapped at the end like they had a jolly good time, and it was a theater in Manhattan, a night showing. You expect the audience to be really raucous, but they were subdued.
Even though I hated X-Men, the audience was really into it and clapped and ballyhooed throughout, all the way to the very end.
Maybe the word of mouth isn’t as good as you expected, which might have lead to the downward box office spiral on Friday. Word of mouth is sometimes more or just as important as the critics…maybe the word of mouth being somewhat mixed contibuted to the disappointing box office.
I really think great word of mouth really helped sustain Batman Begins inspite of it’s lukewarm opening day receipts.
Unfortunately I would not reccomend Supes returns because I did not enjoy it. It was 50/50 spit in my group. No one really loved it as much as they wanted too. We all had high expectations, especially me, who has waited a long ime for the Superman franchise to restart. I am a huge Supes fan raised on the Donner films who thought they were magical in bringing a great comic book character to life and though I thought Singer would deliver the goods, I was left feeling pretty empty.
Well hopefully the sequel will be better.