I’m not really a Tim Burton fan at all. I know it’s the “in” thing to say you dig his stuff… but I don’t. Maybe that makes me a 3rd class film fan, but oh well, I can live with that. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve enjoyed a couple of his projects, but not many.
Having said that, the fact of the matter is that Burton has quite a following (for some reason I can’t get my head around), and people have been looking forward to his new flick Corpse Bride. The good folks over at Film Force give us this little synopsis:
The story is inspired by a 19th century folktale in which a man mistakenly marries a corpse. Victor (voiced by Johnny Depp) is pulled into the underworld where he marries the Corpse Bride (Helena Bonham Carter) while his living bride Victoria (Emily Watson) waits for him in the land of the living. Victor is romanced by the fantastic new place, but still yearns to return to the real world and reunite with his true love.
Yup, sounds like a Burton film. Anyway, if you’d like to check out the trailer you can see it here.
Tim Burton is the greatest writer and director in the entertainment industry and in the world, he’s a great artist with and even greater mind. Every movie he has made i have enjoyed. He knows how to allow the audience to escape our crappy reality and move into abtract and fun worlds with colorful characters with similar problems as us, only in amusing forms. Like Edward Scissorhands for example, he is an outcast from society, is dark and mysterious, but instead of being discrimanted against like other people in real life because hthey have glasses, are minorities, fat, nerdy, shy, clumsy, or whatever, Edward has scissors for hands! Come on that is just great story telling. And Burtons use of bringing back actors, like Johnny Depp for example, brings back the chemistry that forces us to fall in love with his movies. I look forward to seeing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Corpse Bride and hope you all are too.
can i know the theme song in the trailer called..?
I have always been a fan of Tim Burton Johnny Depp, so to see them working together again on another movie is exciting for me. If I’m not owrking, I’ll definitly be the first in line to see “Corpse Bride” when it hits theatres ^__^
i’m going to love this movie i can tell because of johnny depp and its a tim burton film and all his movies are really good so yeah i’ll see it on the first day.
My mistake, the painting of Ophelia in the water is by Millais, not Waterhouse.
last two posts-same girl
Just found out there is another artist who uses blugirl, so any artwork found under that name is not mine, for the record.
That’s the thing about art and bearty; they’re in the eye of the beholder. The truth is that anything that is going to be referred to as art requires that there be an art to creating it. For instance, there is no art (or, at most, merely a negligable amount) involved in getting your dog to walk in paint and then on canvas; conversly, a painting like Waterhouse’s Ophelia requied hours of a model lying in a tub of water even after the candles underneath had gone out and the water was freezing, and not saying anything simply to avoid disturbing the artists’ process- and that’s just the model… My point is (and I do have one) that we should take into acount the amount of effort and genius that artists like Burton and Depp put into their work. Their styles are unmistakable and yet infinately versitile at the same time, and that is something that I believe every artist strives for. Maybe my oppinions come from a different place because I am an artist, but all the same, I feel that art is the most important thing anyone, individual or group, has to represent itself. For the record- I am a huge fan of Mr. Burton’s and of the deliciously talented Johnny Depp (and not just because he’s delicious…). As for remaking movies, just like some songs and the human form in art, some subjects are so fantastic and magnetic that everyone wants to have them as a muse, as a base on which to create something else equally beautiful.
“As for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the author of the book (Roald Dahl) wasn’t very satisfied with the first movie.”
Yes, I have heard that often… I’ve read the book and seen the movie and they didn’t seem to be “in-tune” with each other in a way (for lack of better wording). The movie came across differently than the book. I think the book was meant to be more light-hearted. Hopefully this movie will be truer to the book
As for Tim Burton, I like all the movies of his I have seen so far, Edward Scissorhands and The Nightmare Before Christmas being my favorites. A lot of my liking his movies has to do with Danny Elfman’s music score (with the exception of Ed Wood, which Howard Shore scored). They are great together, and with Johnny Depp it’s just incredible. I’m definitely looking forward to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Corpse Bride :-)
I love Tim Burton. And I love Johnny Depp. I can’t wait to see this movie. When Johnny and Tim get together they do great work. I honestly think this movie will be REALLY GOOD! Go work your magic, Johnny ;)
I think Tim Burton is awesome, when i was really young I saw Pee Wees Big Adventure and I still have a poignant memory of a couple of scenes that haunted me for some reason and I think a director that can leave that sharp of a memory in a four year olds mind after seeing it only once then he is an awesome director and I have liked all of his movies that I have seen for the creativity he introduced to Hollywood. I don’t care if people try to slap a label on people who think Tim Burton is a great director because its a good label to have. I have not seen Planet of the Apes and don’t plan to because I can understand having a bad movie or two.
First of all I’d like to say I completely respect everyone’s opiions here. If it weren’t for everyone’s disagreements what would anyone ever learn or enjoy?
I am a HUGE Tim Burton fan and an even bigger fan of Johnny Depp. Some people have been criticizing Tim Burton’s work, and thats fine. His oddball behavior and art is what makes him Tim Burton.
As for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the author of the book (Roald Dahl) wasn’t very satisfied with the first movie. I know a lot of us love it and it seems somewhat inappropriate to remake it when the first one was just splendid. Johnny Depp has mentioned that he knows his role as Willy WOnka is not comparable to that of Gene Wilder, but he wants to have fun with it. Tim Burton is just looking forward to making his own version of that and it should be respected. He should be free to do his own work if he wishes whether or not it is appreciated.
If anyone here disagrees with my opinion, I completely understand. You may be free to have your own thoughts and I should not be there to manipulate them. I just wanted to give my two cents. I must say I have enjoyed the work that Tim and Johnny have done together,(Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow) and look forward to seeing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and The Corpse Bride.
Both Johnny Depp and Tim Burton have been associated with many movies, both great and terrible, but their work has fascinated me since I was a kid.
-Rubi
“Now im 16 and have liked Burton since I was old enough to know what a director was and I got Nightmare Before Christmas the year it was released and Have loved it since i have seen most of Burton’s films and have been hoping he would do another stop-motion picture again and I personaly cant wait for this to come out and also with Depp in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory I have high hopes because Johnny Depp is a very versatile actor so who’s to say he cant pull off Willy Wonka although it is kind of weird to see him smile because I have never seen him do it really before.”
Wow Rob, age 16, that was one heck of a run-on sentence.
I just have to say that I notice that Johnny Depp is in ALOT of Burton films like sleepy hollow, Edward Scissorhands, and now Corpse Bride. Now im 16 and have liked Burton since I was old enough to know what a director was and I got Nightmare Before Christmas the year it was released and Have loved it since i have seen most of Burton’s films and have been hoping he would do another stop-motion picture again and I personaly cant wait for this to come out and also with Depp in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory I have high hopes because Johnny Depp is a very versatile actor so who’s to say he cant pull off Willy Wonka although it is kind of weird to see him smile because I have never seen him do it really before. But anyway this film looks VERY promising and hope for the best.:)
Edward Scissorhands is one of my favourite movies behind only Ghost World and American Splendor.
I’ve also liked Nightmare before Christmas though it felt a bit long or boring but it was nonetheless really cool. Liked the first Batman and the second one was good but a little weird. I find many of Tim Burton’s films to be surreal which is what I like.
I find both Nightmare and Scissorhands despite their dark tones to have a fairy tale like quality to them that really appeals to me.
This sounds pretty cool Johnny Depp was Edward Scissorhands so Burton and him collaborating should be good.
this looks like it’s going to be a great little movie!! can’t wait to see it. but i have to say that Charlie and the Chocolate-Factory trailer worries me some (will still see it but). Poeple seem to have forgotten the great Mars Attacks!!! Big Fish was a great suprise too. I’m a big Burton Fan, I hope he keeps doing what he does best, I don’t really care if other don’t :)
thanku for those who have posted comments approving of burtons talents! i have often left postings of extreme excitement for burtons projects here on the movie blog and i felt as tho i was always the only one and there would always be a swarm of haters that would come and attack my enthusiasm. so thanku again for reassuring me that i am not the only one .
Not meant as a dig (honest). I have a similar thing on my site, as a sort of ironic welcome.
“Seriously, people like that who think THEY KNOW EVERYTHING about film just make me laugh. They think their opinions are the correct ones and if you disagree with them they like to try to make you think there’s something wrong with you.” – John
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To the extent that you can say you like a director, you assume that his films are recognisably directed by him in some way. Most of the greats have particular themes that go through their films – if you like that theme you will like those films and hence that director. If you don’t like Burton then it’s probably because his gothic/tragic outsider/fairy tale thing isn’t for you. Either you don’t identify with it, or you’d rather spend your leisure time identifying with something else. Either is fine.
Burton may polarise opinion more than others because he has a particularly identifiable style (visual, thematic), which of course has advantages and disadvantages. Whether you like him or not he deserves some credit for consistency and for finding his own voice through a series of films.
Careful people, this looks to be turning into a flame war and I think we are all past our AOL chat room days, or at least most of us.
As far a Burton goes, doesn’t phase me one way or another. He has had some good and some bad, but this trailer kind of looks like Nightmare part 2. Same style of animation, heck even the dog in it shared some similarities. That whole long skinny arm and legs thing was cool in Nightmare, but now after some of the animation we have seen, it is just a 12 year old style. It might be cleaner that before, but it is still the same.
I have to agree with Pat Spaceks comments. First off, jdig is an immature idiot.
But while i’ve been coming to the movie blog for that past 6 months or so, I rarely agree with anything you guys get jazzed about (note, how could anybody not see the trainwreck that was called “Elecktra” coming?…as mentioned above, Die Hard 3??? granted it was better than two, but…).
Sometimes I post comments saying why (dialogue is good!), but I always keep coming back just to see where you guys stand. It helps that we are in the same neck of the woods, and it is always nice to read a film guy from “The Hammer”
Lastly, the first poster, ‘thedailykirk’ has it right…It was cool to be a Burton Fan 5 years ago, but since he went into REMAKE mode (Sleepy Hollow, Planet of the Apes, Charlie and the Chocolate-Factory) the current chic is to say…Whoa, the dude has lost it.
For the record, favorite Burton film is easily “ED WOOD” with Nightmare and Beetlejuice somewhere just behind. Scissor hands has its charms (Alan Arkin being the cheif one). Batman has aged very poorly, Batman Returns was only good for Pffeifer’s perfomnace. Amazingly the Pewee Herman films have aged quite well and are very good. Big Fish was a curious let-down, despite fine performances. Planet of the Apes was atrociously bad (its worst crime: it was boring!). Ditto on Sleepy hollow (OK, not quite as bad). His “Frankenweenie” and “Vincent” short films are both brilliantly funny.
That’s a lot of opinions in so few words…
KuRt.
I have been waiting for this project since it was announced (unless i’m mistaken) something like 10 years ago. We went from having one single image from the film to a trailer, and I can’t be more excited!
The stop-motion on this looks even more more refinded than ‘Nightmare, and this time he’s even co-directing, versus the single-handed job Henry Selek did with Nightmare Before Christmas. I think this will be something truly special!
Oh and his name’s Vincent? I didn’t realize that – just like his first stop-mo short ‘Vincent’.
“He doesn’t mind living with his sister, dog and cats, Though he’d rather share a home with spiders and bats.”
And Vincent Price, of course.
Oh men, you would turn nuts and rip me off if I told YOU that George Lucas is FAR WAY more creative than this “oh I am cool whatever shit I make” Tim Burton.
Why remake Willy Wonka (and King Kong, besides, but that´s another story)? It is a masterpiece on its own. Why do I see a Johnny Depp picture and when I compare with Gene Wilder I have to go to the bathroom to puke? I dunno.
Gee, seems Burton is a religion or something like that! He is an okay director, and has a personal view, but not everyone can appreciate that “view”. He is, as far as I am concerned, a one movie man, and that movie is Ed Wood.
Like John Carpenter and The Thing.
John, maybe you should discuss this next on the Audio Edition, this will be a good topic. I couldnt stop laughing reading your last post. Discussing this will be a blast!
I have to agree, The Movie Blog wouldnt be such an exciting site if all of us agreed on our opinions here. They may be varying but we should at least show some respect somehow and not behave as rudely as some have become just because one’s opinions are different from theirs.
First time poster, long time reader…
I’m gonna go ahead and agree with John here. Sure Burton’s made some great flicks (I’m a huge Nightmare Before Christmas fan), but he really is overrated. I’m 17, and it seems that every 17 year old wanna-be film connaisseur drools over supposedly avant-garde films that are kooky and creative…but if the style is recycled…and recycled…and recycled is it kooky and creative? or is it just boring and routine? Don’t get me wrong, Burton is still a good director, but his formerly interesting and revolutionary film style kinda bores me now…
Oh yeah, and why do I dig Burton? Because of the power of personality he projects in his films. I honestly can’t think of a single director who can go from making weird, surreal, extremely person films (‘Edward Scissorhands’) to crappy big-budget Hollywood dreck (‘Batman,’ ‘Apes’) to a bipic (‘Ed Wood’), and yet maintain a consistent visual and thematic tone. I may not like all of his movies, but the man’s unique and extremely talented. So there.
Actually, I kind of agree with jdig in terms of sentiment, but not in terms of tone. He was being a rude prick, and good riddance to him. That said, I often find your tastes in movies odd, John, especially when you get all excited about some schlocky superhero or action movie, but don’t see the appeal of Tim Burton. (Not ‘don’t like,’ but ‘don’t under stand the appeal’– the first I get, but the second, well…) Still, if I wanted to hear the opinion of someone who agreed with me 100%, I’d talk myself. More. I’d talk to myself more. Yeah.
I cannot wait for this movie and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I love when Burton and Depp work together! There is always something creatively kooky, which entertains me in a way most cinema doesn’t. I find Burton’s work refreshing a mass the action flicks and romantic comedies.
Off the subject – I think 2005 will be a good year for movies *crosses fingers* there is a lot in the que…I just hope that it’s not all hype and we have a year of let downs.
If you like Tim Burton or not, I think we all have to appreciate his creativity. For example, I thought that his interpertation of Planet of the Apes, was pretty cool. It certainly wasn’t a flick I own, or watch all the time, but it is one of those that if stumbled apon flipping trough the stations, I will watch it for a while -mabye even the whole thing-. I was a big fan of Nightmare Before Christmas, but to favor a bit, I like cartoons and kid stuff like that. I also was fond of Big Fish, -I liked the book, and I am kind of a big fish teller myself-. Personally I am very excited to see this new flick of his. I think it will be a great date movie -perhaps painty dropper material w/ the right types- and the voice of Johnny Depp is a great asset.
Right, I don’t usually respond to ridiculous comments left by little sniveling “anonymous” cowards such as “jdig” above, but in this instance I’ll make an exception just because it’s early, I haven’t eaten yet and I’m in a bad mood.
First of all:
1) Never said I liked Ice Cube. I once mentioned that he has been ok in a couple of supporting roles, but that I don’t like him in general as an “actor”).
2) Never said I was a “fanboy” of Ben Affleck. I’ve said I believe he is underrated.
3) If you are so dense and too stupid to realize that film is subjective, then don’t let the door slam you in the ass on your way out.
Seriously, people like that who think THEY KNOW EVERYTHING about film just make me laugh. They think their opinions are the correct ones and if you disagree with them they like to try to make you think there’s something wrong with you.
I like talking about film specifically BECAUSE it’s subjective. I LIKE that we all have different opinions. It’s the conversation about our different opinions that makes this site fun to run. And it’s little self-important morons like “jdig” who take the fun out of it sometimes.
So can you see my heart breaking that he’s not coming back?
But he does, I belive, dig Tombstone – that’s gotta be worth extra credit, surely…
Having just browsed through the front page news items, I can finally say with certainty that John has absolutely no taste in movies. Or actors. He’s gushing over folks like Ice Cube, Gabriel Byrne and… for heaven’s sake, blushes like a sad fanboy at the mention of Ben Affleck. Third Die Hard was the best of the bunch, huh? And John doesn’t like Tim Burton’s movies. Right, that’s it. Movie Blog’s out of my bookmarks, and good riddance.
I did like “Big Fish”, I thought it was really moving. I am so looking forward to “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory”.
And of course as already been mentioned, “Batman”, “Batman Returns”, “Beetlejuice”, and “Edward Scissorhands” were some of his best work. I havent seen “Ed Wood” yet though.
Tim Burton is not only one of the most influential directors (his style has been copied by many: look at The Grinch and Willard) but he’s also one of the most prolific — he’s directed lots of good films, along with lots of bad films.
Like Spielberg, I can’t really find fault in Burton because, compared to many directors these days who are mostly just hype (i.e. Tarantino, Kevin Smith, David Fincher, Wes Anderson and so on), he keeps working. He’s made a variety of films and doesn’t come across as arrogant and self-important, like other names who produce a lot less.
I must be IN then, cuz the only Burton films I really like are Batman (the first) and Ed Wood.
The rest seem overrated to me, though I don¬¥t like the term “overrated”. Nightmare could have been definetely dark and cool and in the end it was but an alternate Xmas Postcard.
Sleepy Hollow is terrible, Big Fish is boring… Burton seems to target to an specific audience of anorexic/gothic teens of either sex who have a sense of “romanticism” only existing in their minds.
Otherwise, this film looks promising… but much less than Chicken Little… muahahaha…
Ed Wood is really an excellent film, despite all.
Actually i think it is the “in” thing to say you are not a Tim Burton fan. Admittedly that got easier to say after Planet of the Apes but if you can’t appreciate some of his earlier work “Beetleguise, Edward Scissor hands, Nightmare before Xmas” you may want to stop and consider if you are not just responding to popular back lash which is something we all do. I think that nightmare was one of Burtons greatest films ever and I am really excited about this new stop motion project which is a format Burton seems to excel at.
But in the end, to each his own.