Kevin Smith has been talking across the Internet with his fans and typical Internet flamers, and there’s some interesting information coming out on the subject of Clerks 2, a sequel to Dogma and the Green Hornet movie.
Cinematical have the news.
…Clerks 2 will not be called Passion of the Clerks. Instead, they will stick with the title Clerks 2. On writing and/or directing a comic book-type flick, he says “I ain’t touching one of those superhero movies, man. Too much pressure, too much carping from the fan base. Plus, if I make one myself, I forfeit the right to make fun of other comic book movies.” Hmm, does that mean no Green Hornet?
One fan asked if he was going to make a sequel to Dogma and, surprisingly, he may. “Back when I made Dogma, I always maintained that another movie about religion wouldn’t be forthcoming, as Dogma was the product of 28 years of religious and spiritual meditation, and I’d kinda shot my wad on the subject. Now? I think I might have more to say.” I’m sure you (the reader) has more to say, so have at it.
Well none of that really interests me apart from the no Green Hornet. That’s a real disappointment for me I was looking forward to a movie adaptation of that, I don’t mind it won’t be Smith, but he would have had an interesting take on the topic.
What about the possibility of a Dogma 2?
The thing I find so hilarious is that the fanboys who love Batman Begins so much get so offended when someone says the movie is a poor and weak effort at film making.
Thanks for proving MY point.
You may join the other lemmings now.
Ah yes, as we see here from this prime specimen, they also tend to exhibit symptoms of the superiority complex.
*sigh*
Thanks for proving my point, I guess.
You see, people with minority opinions have much higher standards than the lemmings who gleefully follow the crowd and have no original thoughts of thier own.
I love people with minority opinions. They seem to think if they shout loud enough they’ll convince people their opinion is more valid or more correct than anyone else’s.
What?? Goyer did “a bloody awesome job on Batman Begins”?? BB is the “best Batman film” ?? Please tell me you guys are joking !!! BB had a story ? Please tell me what it was, cause the flick was just a bunch of scenes strung together with little if any continuity. At times I felt like I was watching a rehash of Ang Lee’s HULK (you guys probably loved that flick, also). Nolan is a poor and sloppy film maker. BB reminded me very much of those crap Marvel TV movies of the 70s and 80s. I will say, however, Goyer’s BB script was just slightly better than his NICK FURY script. All in all, give me the good old Tim Burton-Michael Keaton days. I just don’t get the fanboys obsession with BB. Its a poor movie…not as bad as BATMAN & ROBIN, but not as good as the other 3.
As for Kevin Smith, I’m not really a fan of his (DOGMA was total garbage), but I did enjoy his SUPERMAN LIVES script (though when reading it, I could only picture either the LOIS & CLARK cast or the Timm-Dini animated characters), and I feel that he could make the BB franchise a bit closer to what classic Bat fans like while still keeping the things that the BB fanboys like.
I am forced somewhat grudgingly to agree with most of the above about Mr Smith, he does seem to have lost the plot somewhat.
Clerks is his masterpiece and the news of a sequel does not so much inspire confidence as smack of desperation, or at least a lack of imagination.
That said I still have a huge soft spot for him and his movies especially Dogma – they may not all be that well executed but they have heart and for me a charming balance of indy cred and lowbrow commercial appeal.
I got in to his stuff around the same time I discovered Richard Linklater and have always seen a parallel between their work (probably just the Affleck connection – he’s in Dazed & Confused as’ appropriately enough, an a**hole). But while Linklater has seamlessly made the transition to succesful commercial cinema with School of Rock and Bad News Bears, Smith seems to have dug himself in to an Askewniverse shaped hole.
As for the idea of him getting a shot at Batman, dude pop down to the bank cos you’ve earned a reality cheque.
The news on ‘The Green Hornet’ is actually old news. Smith’s involvement went no farther than that of a few script drafts. That in itself was a surprise- because when Smith first announced it on his website, he gave all the fanboy details, all the phone calls he made and recieved, how enthusiastic he was (kind of like his script for the defunct remake of ‘The Six Million Dollar Man’) …
…and then after writing a few drafts of GH, he pulls out, does Jersey Girl. He does not return to the ‘Hornet’ project. Some of the fanboys who think Smith should be behind other comic book adaptation and/or pop culture film with heroes in them, always fail to admit that the GH issue is the third time Smith has dropped the ball.
When Smith was given a shot at writing “Superman Lives’- yes, some of the previous drafts of the past scribes were not stellar, and Jon Peters wanted to change Superman. But to be fair, Smith’s “Superman Lives” wasn’t much better- in terms of production, in terms of being talky, he had the entire JLA present- you know, the fanbase hears (and reads) stuff like that, they go apeshit and defend Smith up and down. They never concede that in all reality, Smith’s version would have never been made-it would have been more production costs than the current Singer version. Smith becomes outspoken, he bitches, he bitches. Everyone’s at fault but him. Fine.
In the case of Hornet, that ball was, after years of development hell, just simply handed to him. Do you want to write this? He says yes. If you write it, would you be willing to direct it? He says yes. No debate, no contreversy, they trust him. The studio will leave him to his own devices. They will not look over his shoulder. Period. In all of his bullshit bitching on what writers and filmmakers do wrong on superhero related films- he finally has the shot to make an ultimate fanboy fantasy movie. He finally is given the chance to make a big budget action packed shin dig. What the hell does he do? The drops the ball.
I’ve lost respect for Kevin Smith. He’s given a golden skeleton key, but refuses to open any doors. He should have taken “Green Hornet” all the way, so then he can finally be justified in his rantings. Well, could the recent Miramax/Wiestien split have something to do with it? No. You would think that “Hornet’ would have franchise material; the Wienstiens would run with it. But Smith drops out. Guess what’s going to happen when person x does a new draft and person y directs. Smith will start another bitching session and his fanboy fanbase will be his freaking cheerleading section. Wait and watch-he’s that predictable. When he gets out of line, he won’t admit fault but he’ll say it was a joke/blown out of proportion (such as his feud with Burton) and I’m tired of his cowardice bullshit.
The evidence of his fanbase speaks volumes here. No one can replace Smith. Ever.
That’s just crazy. That’s bullcrap. “Replace Goyer on the next Batman”? Aside from the fact that Goyer co-wrote the script with Chris Nolan, the film was the best Batman film because it not only had story, it was about Batman. Could Smith do better? Maybe, maybe not. Could Smith partner up with Goyer in the future? Would that be something! But no…
“he’s better than Goyer”. By that, should we also say Smith is better than BB co-writer Nolan? I’ll let the rest of you Smith defenders chew on that question.
Byran Singer isn’t using Smith’s “Superman” script. Does that mean Singer’s wrong?
If a new writer and/or director comes on ‘Hornet’ and chooses to not use Smith’s script, right or wrong, that is thier right to do so. What they come up with might even be better than what Smith had. What? Don’t believe me? Well, I’m not saying it will be so. I’m saying it is possible.
In any case, Smith had Hornet in his hands, hyped it, lived it, wanted it, wrote it.
Then blew it.
End Of Story.
Period.
Bye.
Rant’s done.
Sealer Out.
What!? Goyer done a bloody awesome job on Batman Beigns … it certainly made up for Blade: Trinity!!!
I hope Smith is kidding when he says “no superhero movies”. This guy HAS to write “Batman Begins 2”. Please, anyone but David Goyer!!! C’mon Kev, be a MAN…play the political Hollywood game and hustle yourself that gig, and more importantly, get Goyer thrown out !
That’s the whole point, the reason he’s not doing Green Hornet! Is because he doesn’t want to play in the sandpit with the big boys!
It doesn’t bother me all that much that he won’t be directing it, because like smith has said himself on a number of occasions, He’s not a director. He’s a writer, who just happens to direct his movies. The last time he went of course and tried to dabble in something outside his comfort zone was ‘Jersey Girl’, and the main critisicm over that flick was the directing and it had ‘Gigli’ hanging over it’s head. Overall, i thought it was a well written flick, i dug it. But back on the subject, if someone else directs green hornet, not so bad. AS LONG AS THEY STICK TO SMITH’S SCRIPT!!!!
Smith need to grow a pair before he finds himself out of work.
He gets burned on his first studio picture and runs whining back to his comfort zone while blaming everyone else including the fanboys of a movie he hasn’t even *tried* to make.
Every time I hear another lame excuse for why he pussying out of making a regular movie in favour of planning or actually making another “Askewniverse” flick I lose more and more respect for the man. He got handed a golden opportunity that not many people get and now he’s flushing it in favour of pandering to his own insecurities and his limited fanboy clique.
If you can’t play in the sandpit with the big boys…