Bay has his audience and broad appeal

while I dont think he’s the Master Craftsmen like a….. Scorcesse, he makes loud, visually entertaining spectacles that are a guilty pleasure.

that’s all

I don’t believe I said anything about being in any “majority”, just that in my opinion, and I reapeat, in my opinion, Transformers was utter disaster of movie. You will have to come to realize and accept that there are people who feel the same way about the movie(it did win the Razzie after all) and have no problem voicing there opinions.

Nor will I take box office as a true sign of quality, since there are plenty of great movies that do nothing at the box office.

All Transformer’s box office says to me it was popular, not necessarily good, which in my opinion, it wasn’t.

Didn’t say that it had to automatically change your opinion on the film because it raked in the money.

Just that there is evidence that many people would disagree with you about the movie since SO MANY people actually went to it even with all this “bile” written about it. Or possibly saw it twice despite your feelings on it.

Boxoffice doesn’t mean you have to think its good, but it would be ignorant to assume you are in the majority when its had this much of an attendance.

Again, just being popular/profitable doesn’t make a movie automatically good. Some movies such as Transformers and Sex in the City were going to make money thanks to studio hype and built in audiences. Getting a sequel just means the first movie made enough profit to warrant a sequel, not because they were good.

Anyhow…

While I agree with the commenters that the Steve Barron directed Turtles film back in 1990 had charm and was, among the three L/A films, the closest to the graphic novels…it also had to tilt the scales a little. It is just good enough for those over 18 to tolerate and clean enough for those under 18 (or even under 10) to enjoy.

“Campy and cheesy” does not always mean a bad thing. I would consider many films with a ‘cult following’ to be in this way. The 1990 Turtles would fit into this niche. Am I a big fan of the first film? No. But I did appreciate the work done by the Jim Henson shop (as well as enjoying Barron’s other camp-cheesy film from the 80’s- “Electric Dreams’)

I disagree with Lady L in that the Turtles 1990 outlasted the appeal of Tim Burton’s Batman. It’s comparing an apple to a head of lettuce. The only thing about 1989’s Batman is that after seeing The Dark Knight, it has less juice. We’ll still watch it again, but the more recent Joker story beats it in spades. By that, yes, ’89 Batman has lesser appeal. But not by Turtles standards.

The Turtles, reboot or remake or whatever, has, like it or not, a shroud over it. Many people, including myself, would go nuts if Bay laid down a gauntlet and went strictly source material. (Blood; severed limbs, the works) But seeing who else is involved, it probably might not be so.

They can have a script, if they like, that goes towards the Mirage version (the version WE would like to see) but we also know, if such a thing were to happen, it would be short lived. At some point, it would have to watered down a little bit for “The Turtles” are going to have to sell toys. How dark can you get? Whenever I hear these promises “it’ll be hard edged” it will be “gritty, dark”. I can’t stop laughing.

I know- you know- what will evolve. It will be aimed towards the younger set. Nothing really wrong with that in essence – we can take our families out for clean fun and all- but it is only a shadow of what the fans of the original comics will ever get. It’s not a horrible thing…but let’s not get our hopes up.

As for the hate on Bay. I don’t like all of his films. Someone else does. I think most of his films are hyperactive and expensive messes. His films are hits, he make the studios money. Horror remakes aside, the man is bankable, that cannot be disputed.

And furthermore, I liked The Island.
And that’s his only “bomb”
Go figure.

Ive seen plenty of “bile” thrown at the Sex and the City Movie but plenty of people loved it and they made another because of that.

Its trendy to hate on movies. There are sites that monopolize on being negative about movies. That doesn’t mean the movie is universally bad or no one would go to it.

Yes, bad in my opinion, but me going to a movie 15 times doesn’t automatically make the movie good, it just meant I personally liked the movie enough to go see it 15 times.

And as an internet savvy person such as yourself should know, the online world hardly reflects the real world, or else, given the amount of bile aimed at Transformers 2, that movie should have went straight to Betamax.

Bad in your Opinion. Clearly not a broad statement of quality as many people willingly went to see it, some even more than once.

Not saying the formula is absolute, but when a movie makes SERIOUS money, there has to be some degree of broad appeal. In this day and age of information shared online, a bad movie is quickly discussed and shot down.

The third movie has them transported to Feudal Japan.

Just sayin…

Just because something is popular is not the be all end all indicator of quality, with enough hype and lack of direct competition, many of a BAD movie has done well at the box office.