haha. seriously….what did Kobe do to you John?

Whoah…good point.

and… this is new low point.

wait, WTF does this have to do with buffy again?

I’d admit it too if it got someone to shut up. Go on spending time proclaiming my innocence in a civil trial or admit I see why someone thinks i was wrong and be done with it?

Also if sex is 95 percent consensual and during the last 5 percent a female says stop, taking back her consent, then that can be seen as rape. Personally I wouldn’t want any disputes so I’d stop. If someone stopped a minute after they should have, I don’t think that is rape but i see how someone could see it that way.

I’ll give it a go. How would you say it compares to Serenity? As seen by the list of Whedon shows I have tried to watch, I really do want to like the guy and hold up on a pedestal as so many seem to do; I just haven’t seen anything by him that would make me feel so die hard about him. Maybe Firefly will spark a fire for me. :D

John—

He said he understands how she FEELS it wasn’t consensual. This is ethics stuff they bring up during college orientation.

A girl can FEEL 1. Physically intimidated 2. Pressure by status 3. Unable to back out after initiating intimacy (she consensually kissed him for 5 minutes before the incident)4. Under the influence (doesn’t apply here) 5. In a relationship with her rapist (doesn’t apply here). She may have said absolutely nothing, but can be ethically considered rape for the above reasons. A man can rape his wife, and she may not say something or say no at first but speak up because she feels intimidation physically or mentally.

Again, I have no opinion about whether or not she was raped because 1. The multiple guys angle 2. The supposed bragging 3. Her previous mental health issues. The only things I know is that she had sex with Kobe and it was rough.

The wife thing is completely different. He cheated on his wife. If you said, “Quicker than Lakers fans forgave Kobe for infidelity (with probable rape to boot)” still different than what you said.

Also bigsampson your comments below show why people can’t have reasoned arguments. She was ugly? That is not a point in the least bit.

I was just trying to moderate the vitriol John I am sure you can understand that.

Hey Mickey,

It’s not low brow… rape it.

He admits that he NOW realizes she didn’t consent. But somehow he didn’t realize at the time? Like I said… maybe he should have called his wife to ask.

John, it was just a little out of nowhere low-brow… like you are usually better than that. Also the man was never convicted of ANYTHING. So it is just a little slanderous… there is evidence on both sides. Reports have had friends of hers saying she was bragging about it a day after the incident.

She bragged about it and joked about it…
http://wendyista.blogspot.com/2009/06/kobe-bryants-alleged-rape-victim.html

Odd right?

I have no opinion about the case, but I am just saying it doesnt sound fair.

…but more on topic here – I love Joss…and if he pulls out of this, I have no hopes left for this movie. It’s going to be utter shit – Just another remake…just another quick attempt to make a buck or two.