This movie is a sequel. It all takes place before the events of XMen 1. This is why they call it Origins.

No where in this movie does Scott or Jean meet Wolverine. Scott is in the movie, but apparently in a very minor role vaguely tying Wolverine’s past to his. Jean is not in the movie at all.

Wolverine was born with the bone claws which were enhanced by the WeaponX project when they laced his skeleton with Adamantium. This is explained in the comics and likely will be in the movie as well.

Its not a continuation of XMen 3 – this all takes place before, and the “monster” you see Wolverine being made into is simply part of his past that somehow was wiped from his memory and you see him trying to figure out in side stories throughout the XMen films.

My first question is if this new movie is like the Batman Begins movies. Like, is this movie suppose to lead us into Xmen 1-3? Or is it basically an Xmen 4?

If its an Xmen “begins” kinda thing. Then if Jean and Cyclopse knew Wolvarine, why was he introduced to them in the first Xmen movie?

If its an Xmen 4 kinda thing, then how does he have natural claw bones? Or do you think that will be explained in the movie. I mean, it would make since if it shows clips of him as a boy with natural bones and he doesnt remember that in the first Xmen movies and they got changed into the metal ones.

Also, if its an Xmen 4, why would Wolvarine be going and reconstructing himself into this horrible monster? What happened to the school? And I thought Cyclopse died?

So confused, please help

Look Rodney, I simply gave my thoughts on what this film may be like based upon the information I have available about it, based on the trailers.

And you made the snide remark that I don’t seem to know the source material. Then you made incorrect assumptions about me obsessing over minor details, and wanting to see this movie be exactly like the comics, or having a problem with a new actor playing a part, or over the color of a characters hair.

And since you started commenting on what I have said, you have got it wrong every single time. You seem to have made it a goal to score points over me somehow by belittling my opinion, trying to prove I don’t know what I am talking about, as if I’m saying something that I am not.

I never claimed to know how this movie will tell the story, merely gave my thoughts as to my optimism about the film at this point in time. It would be no different than if I said I was looking forward to the film, since really nobody knows if it’s going to be good or bad right now, we can only speculate. For me, it’s looking like this may not live up to what has previously been a very good franchise.

The reason for that, is that I THINK this franchise is now trying to straddle a thin line between it’s own cannon, and telling stories that necessitate things that come from comic book cannon. The effect now, is that this franchise is running the risk of having more and more inconsistencies within it’s own cannon. I gave examples of 2 things previously established in the movies, which I think may turn out to be retconned, for sake of telling a story based upon comic cannon as opposed to sticking with movie cannon. But you’re claiming that since there are ways it could be explained logically, that the film will definately explain them that way. You don’t know that, so trying to argue over how the film may or may not present them at this stage is pointless.

You’re optimistic; I’m not as confident, based only upon the impression both of us gets from the trailers.

You’re acting like I’m making definitive statements and condemning the movie based on assumptions. I’m not. I’m just saying that the trailers give me a certain impression, and have stated several times now that I’m well aware I could be wrong in that assumption.

The examples given (Wolverine apparently recognizing Creed’s scent etc) for me personally, do not constitute a suitable acknowledgment of how much of a history this film now shows them to have. Logan’s memory was apparently wiped when the Adamantium was put into his body. Yet the trailer shows him fighting Sabertooth after he has his metal claws. So while they could explain it all with memory loss, it means he will have to lose his memory twice. So based on the previous films, and what I have seen of the trailers, it looks like this inconsistency will be an issue. Until I see how it all plays out in this film, that’s just speculation on my part. And I do hope I am wrong.

Based on what the trailers have shown me, I am not getting as excited about the film as I would like. Is that to say I won’t like the film? No, because it might answer all the things I want it to, and it may be great. But since you posted the trailer here, and not the entire film, all I can comment upon is what impression the trailer gives me.

The trailer for Watchmen made me extremely excited for the film, as I felt it showed a movie I would be really pleased with. That didn’t guarantee that the film was going to be great, but I went in much more optimistic about it. This trailer leaves me feeling the film may not meet my previous expectations for it.

What I’m not trying to argue here is that the movie should be exactly like the comic. It shouldn’t. I’m not saying the can’t get different actors to play a part. I’m not saying they can’t explain these things in a logical way, IF they try.

“….but in the past there have been over 20 mutants named or present in all the films. Why would this be any different?”

wow rodney lol i was one of those who complained and said this film had too many characters, lol i didnt see it that way, i have higher expectations for this film now, thanks for pointing that out.

ps: that was not a smartass remark.

Shane, you are overreacting and ironically lashing out at my response to your own words. I get that you think the films are inconsistent. I have addressed all the issues you have brought up to support your assumption that they would be.

You brought up his appearance and behaviour. I expressed possible reasons for it and plausible explanations they could easily turn to.

We “people” don’t need to reread your original post. We are responding to your posts. Ones where you brought up issues that people are satisfactorily bringing up resolutions.

You are concerned about Sabertooth’s familiarity with Wolverine and why he didnt respond “satisfactorily” for you. Maybe they don’t want to have everyone know about their past. Maybe they dont know. Wolverine recognized a familiar scent, and in battle Sabretooth felt some sort of personal connection in taking his dog tags. This isn’t enough for you because they didnt have coffee and reminisce about old times or offer cheesey dialogue to announce their connection.

You obsess over how many characters are in the movie, which is just an assumption. We know some characters will be in the movie, but in the past there have been over 20 mutants named or present in all the films. Why would this be any different?

You get “an impression” which is just validating everything everyone else is saying. You assume it wont spell it all out for you well enough. And you don’t know that. Even when the examples given give “an impression” that they DO acknowledge a connection.

Amazing that your impression is enough to condemn the franchise but the impression given was not sufficient to save it.

You blatantly accuse me of making this about hair colour and telling people to read your comment when you clearly didn’t read mine. I already stated that his appearance AND his animal like but simple demeanor were different but could possibly be explained. But before they have the chance you assume they wont.

The first two X-men films introduced you to a whole school full of “special youngsters” a brotherhood of mutants, a past for a number of the core characters AND still manage to have a story on top of it all.

You like to offer a “I could be wrong” while so vehemently defending your assumptions as misunderstood by everyone who responds to them.

I have faith that in considering a prequel film they would make efforts to make it fit with any existing chapter in the series. These people are not the idiots.

Finally you make the empty assumption that we are “fans of such quality film making” while you are simply a fan of pessimism.

People here have offered up suggestions that contradict your pessimism, but you counter it with “YOU JUST DONT GET IT”

Oh yes, it is such silly, nit-picking, fan-boy bitching for me to expect a film to have some sort of continuity with the movies that came before it.

Read my original post again people; “I am extremely doubtful that this film will satisfactorily explain why Sabretooth has met Wolverine later in life and barely acknowledges him.”

Since these 2 met in X-Men, it will take some pretty good storytelling for that to make logical sense. All within 90 minutes. With about 20 other characters to introduce and tell a story with.

The impression I get is that this film will not be interested in explaining why they no longer recognize each other in X1.

And Rodney, again you’ve missed the point entirely by turning this into an issue of “hair color” now. No, I’m saying that EVERYTHING about this version of Sabertooth is completely different. If the only difference you can spot is hair color, then it’s no wonder you can’t understand what I’m saying.

I’m doubtful that this film will explain his changes, Wolverine’s origin, his entire back story, introduce this “special team”, introduce young Cyclops, and all the other characters like Deadpool, Gambit, Blob etc… all in 90 minutes, to the same level of quality as the first 2 X-Men movies.

As I keep saying, I could be wrong, this is merely the opinion I have formed based on the trailers and what we have seen of the film so far. I don’t see why everyone else is being so adamant that these will be explained in the film; you don’t know for sure either.

I’m hoping for a film that can fit in well with the previous 3 X-Men films. From what I gather, you would all be content if each film had characters acting nothing like the previous films, looking nothing like they have before, and completely forgetting details previously explained. Glad you’re fans of such quality film making.

he did know sabretooth in X1 maybe not exactly but he recognized the scent and why do you think sabretooth wanted his dogtags

lol yes rodney we fanboys like to bithc about the most urrevelant issues first it was the issue of the color of kirk’s shirt, then it was goku not being asian, now its sabortooth’s hair color, next it will be devastator’s color scheme lol

His hair turning blond doesnt have to be anything like Rogue.

His change of appearance can be any number of reasons all of which we do not know. Hair colour is irrelevant. They change an actor, and everything about his appearance changes. Are we really going to bicker over hair colour?

Mentally he seems more animal like and simplistic. Maybe at some point Wolverine will drive a claw through his head and render him simple. We don’t know.

and shane i did hear rumor that they are planning a sequel, so if they dont touch on these issues in this film then that could mean that they will in a sequel

shane
dude there is no mention of his claws being man made in the first xmen or x2, all they mention is that the adamantium was grafted throuhout his entire body, and as for the part about sabortooth, well maybe wolverine does something to him in this film to where it turns his hair blonde in the same manner that rogue got her white streak of hair at the end of the first xmen and the same could be said about wolverine and sabortooth not remembering each other