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		By: Samaliel		</title>
		<link>https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-empty-superhero-suit/#comment-135260</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Rodney :
As some people pointed elsewhere, Hiketeia and Spirit of Truth are quite iconic of who Wonder Woman is, without having lots of prerequisites. But still, if the director and/or the screenplay writer(s) suck, the result can&#039;t be good.

@Jay :
I think they were poorly conceived because they were spin-offs. But that&#039;s just my opinion. By the looks of it, I really think the directors / writers of both Catwoman and Elektra went along the lines of : &quot;This is the call of fandom. And fanboys shall answer. We don&#039;t have to even try. Just make sure the title role is casted as a superhot babe and make her wear the tightest and most revealing costume that won&#039;t hurt the movie PG-13 rating. If we do it, they will come.&quot;

I strongly disagree about the &quot;female hero of any type [...] does not garner the same mass appeal when challenged against a male hero&quot;. The best example for me is the whole Alien saga. While you could argue that the alien is the true star of the movie, Lt. Ellen Ripley is definitely a female hero and she totally rocks. While it is more an exception than the common case, it proves that a female hero can work. 

We just need a director and writer(s) who actually give a damn about the whole thing, and are not only looking for easy bucks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rodney :<br />
As some people pointed elsewhere, Hiketeia and Spirit of Truth are quite iconic of who Wonder Woman is, without having lots of prerequisites. But still, if the director and/or the screenplay writer(s) suck, the result can&#8217;t be good.</p>
<p>@Jay :<br />
I think they were poorly conceived because they were spin-offs. But that&#8217;s just my opinion. By the looks of it, I really think the directors / writers of both Catwoman and Elektra went along the lines of : &#8220;This is the call of fandom. And fanboys shall answer. We don&#8217;t have to even try. Just make sure the title role is casted as a superhot babe and make her wear the tightest and most revealing costume that won&#8217;t hurt the movie PG-13 rating. If we do it, they will come.&#8221;</p>
<p>I strongly disagree about the &#8220;female hero of any type [&#8230;] does not garner the same mass appeal when challenged against a male hero&#8221;. The best example for me is the whole Alien saga. While you could argue that the alien is the true star of the movie, Lt. Ellen Ripley is definitely a female hero and she totally rocks. While it is more an exception than the common case, it proves that a female hero can work. </p>
<p>We just need a director and writer(s) who actually give a damn about the whole thing, and are not only looking for easy bucks.</p>
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		By: Jay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 17:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Samaliel :

I do realize the other two are spin-off characters, but the those two spin-offs failed not for that reason, they were poorly conceived in development and terribly made. 

The point I was attempting to thow was being a female hero of any type (despite the credibility); it&#039;s does not garner the same mass appeal when challenged against a male hero. 

Even though WW is an original character, WW is still a woman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Samaliel :</p>
<p>I do realize the other two are spin-off characters, but the those two spin-offs failed not for that reason, they were poorly conceived in development and terribly made. </p>
<p>The point I was attempting to thow was being a female hero of any type (despite the credibility); it&#8217;s does not garner the same mass appeal when challenged against a male hero. </p>
<p>Even though WW is an original character, WW is still a woman.</p>
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		By: Rodney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sam, you might be missing something there.

Wonder Woman still needs a story.  What would the movie be about?

No one can answer that because everyone&#039;s answer will be different.  And none of them will be a solid character defining moment unless they make the story up completely... and fans wont like that either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, you might be missing something there.</p>
<p>Wonder Woman still needs a story.  What would the movie be about?</p>
<p>No one can answer that because everyone&#8217;s answer will be different.  And none of them will be a solid character defining moment unless they make the story up completely&#8230; and fans wont like that either.</p>
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		By: Samaliel		</title>
		<link>https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-empty-superhero-suit/#comment-134818</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Jay :

I think you&#039;re missing a very important point about why Catwoman and Elektra failed, and why Wonder Woman might be something good. They didn&#039;t fail because they were movies about women, but because they are mostly spin-off characters. 

Their spin-off quality was accounted for, I think. To me, it&#039;s as if the people who made those films went : &quot;We do it for the fans. They don&#039;t care. They&#039;ll buy : they&#039;re fans, after all&quot;. This led to a lot of bad decisions in regards of storytelling and character development, and a global lack in the quality of those productions.

Catwoman was aimed at the Batman fans, and it had not even one remote connection to either the comics or the preexisting Batman movies. It couldn&#039;t not fail. 

Elektra, was aimed at the Dare Devil fans, and explicitly presented as a spin-off from the Dare Devil movie, which was the only logical way to go. But given the poor quality of the Dare Devil movie in the first place, no body should have expected Elektra to be a good movie.

Wonder Woman, on the other hand, is an original character, who first appeared in her own adventures, before teaming up with other superheroes. This doesn&#039;t prevent an eventual Wonder Woman movie to suck badly. But it gives it a little more chance not to suck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jay :</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re missing a very important point about why Catwoman and Elektra failed, and why Wonder Woman might be something good. They didn&#8217;t fail because they were movies about women, but because they are mostly spin-off characters. </p>
<p>Their spin-off quality was accounted for, I think. To me, it&#8217;s as if the people who made those films went : &#8220;We do it for the fans. They don&#8217;t care. They&#8217;ll buy : they&#8217;re fans, after all&#8221;. This led to a lot of bad decisions in regards of storytelling and character development, and a global lack in the quality of those productions.</p>
<p>Catwoman was aimed at the Batman fans, and it had not even one remote connection to either the comics or the preexisting Batman movies. It couldn&#8217;t not fail. </p>
<p>Elektra, was aimed at the Dare Devil fans, and explicitly presented as a spin-off from the Dare Devil movie, which was the only logical way to go. But given the poor quality of the Dare Devil movie in the first place, no body should have expected Elektra to be a good movie.</p>
<p>Wonder Woman, on the other hand, is an original character, who first appeared in her own adventures, before teaming up with other superheroes. This doesn&#8217;t prevent an eventual Wonder Woman movie to suck badly. But it gives it a little more chance not to suck.</p>
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		By: Phil Gee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never thought about it before but she doesn&#039;t have a definitive story.  In a way though, that really frees up whoever adapts the character for the big screen because they&#039;re not constricted by having fans tell them that a certain story has to be told, and told in such and such a way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought about it before but she doesn&#8217;t have a definitive story.  In a way though, that really frees up whoever adapts the character for the big screen because they&#8217;re not constricted by having fans tell them that a certain story has to be told, and told in such and such a way.</p>
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		By: RonSalon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s funny to be reading this article on one of my favorite sites just after reading a similar article a month or two back. The former article was based on why woman can&#039;t  carry a movie, yet here we are wondering why there is no Wonder &lt;b&gt;WOMAN &lt;/B&gt;movie. I would think that it&#039;s obvious... I was, at the time, somewhat inclined to agree with the previous article. Now, however, I think it might be our inability to envision that great origin or finite story of Diana of... (Is it Lesbos?)

Anyway... Undoubtedly, they (TPTB) are busy of writing a new script. I just wonder if the &#039;fanboys/girls&#039;, who believe a woman can&#039;t carry a movie, will go see it when it&#039;s done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny to be reading this article on one of my favorite sites just after reading a similar article a month or two back. The former article was based on why woman can&#8217;t  carry a movie, yet here we are wondering why there is no Wonder <b>WOMAN </b>movie. I would think that it&#8217;s obvious&#8230; I was, at the time, somewhat inclined to agree with the previous article. Now, however, I think it might be our inability to envision that great origin or finite story of Diana of&#8230; (Is it Lesbos?)</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; Undoubtedly, they (TPTB) are busy of writing a new script. I just wonder if the &#8216;fanboys/girls&#8217;, who believe a woman can&#8217;t carry a movie, will go see it when it&#8217;s done.</p>
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		By: Jon H		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I suppose they could do something crazy like make up their own story. It has been done before.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose they could do something crazy like make up their own story. It has been done before.</p>
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		By: Roguepirate		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Based on what I just read on wiki, there doesn&#039;t seem to be a story that can make for an interesting film. The only thing that could possibly make for a good movie is where WW breaks &quot;do-not-kill code of DC superheroes&quot; and kills Maxwell Lord. Something like that could maybe make for a good story. 

Or maybe a good way to introduce WW is rather than make a movie about her, make a movie dedicated to one of her villains. Since nobody really knows any WW villians (well i dont) it could be a way to build up a villain in a tragedy story and turn WW into the menace then at the end the lead character is killed off by WW. Thus in the sequel, hopefully the audience will want to see more of WW.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on what I just read on wiki, there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a story that can make for an interesting film. The only thing that could possibly make for a good movie is where WW breaks &#8220;do-not-kill code of DC superheroes&#8221; and kills Maxwell Lord. Something like that could maybe make for a good story. </p>
<p>Or maybe a good way to introduce WW is rather than make a movie about her, make a movie dedicated to one of her villains. Since nobody really knows any WW villians (well i dont) it could be a way to build up a villain in a tragedy story and turn WW into the menace then at the end the lead character is killed off by WW. Thus in the sequel, hopefully the audience will want to see more of WW.</p>
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		By: Jay		</title>
		<link>https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-empty-superhero-suit/#comment-134620</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article link Rodney.

So in similar vein, I was not familar with WW&#039;s background and makes me think why make a WW movie. If it happens it may end in the same pile of crap as it did for Electra and Catwoman. A female superhero on it&#039;s own does not have solid footing regardless of their origin.

So here is my thinking after reading that article gave me an idea for the next Superman movie, introduce the Amazon lady in there, since there is nothing more exciting with the Lex Luthor storyline.

As the article hints, the stories on Earth are pale and I agree. Supes need to battle other nemesis. He could use WW&#039;s help. No more silly tales with Louis Lane and the rest of the measly earthly characters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article link Rodney.</p>
<p>So in similar vein, I was not familar with WW&#8217;s background and makes me think why make a WW movie. If it happens it may end in the same pile of crap as it did for Electra and Catwoman. A female superhero on it&#8217;s own does not have solid footing regardless of their origin.</p>
<p>So here is my thinking after reading that article gave me an idea for the next Superman movie, introduce the Amazon lady in there, since there is nothing more exciting with the Lex Luthor storyline.</p>
<p>As the article hints, the stories on Earth are pale and I agree. Supes need to battle other nemesis. He could use WW&#8217;s help. No more silly tales with Louis Lane and the rest of the measly earthly characters.</p>
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