Comments on: Why The Loss Of The Tradition Film Critic Is A Loss To Us All https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/ The Correct Opinion Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:00:53 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Brendan https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130528 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:00:53 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130528 “Yes there are some very insurmountable economical reasons why most of them can’t”

It does not cost anything to have a YouTube channel.

It costs about 60 bucks a year to run a website.

You’re saying they don’t have channels of being heard? We all do- they just have to use them. If they have content worthy of being heard it can be.

]]> By: Jay https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130502 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:47:01 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130502 Pretty sad….I always look forward to a good review and I don’t mind lengthy ones either since many of the good critics from the established publication are very insightful.

]]> By: John https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130428 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:07:59 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130428 Hey Brendan,

Regardless if you like to admit it or not, having a journalisim degree, formal writing training and a film history training DOES enable SOME of these guys to do things the vast majority of us online guys can’t do. Neither better nor worse… it’s different. But as I clearly said in my post, there are things we do that they never can, and vice versa..

And you said:

“there’s no reason why those people can’t be saying the exact same thing online”

Yes there are some very insurmountable economical reasons why most of them can’t

]]> By: Brendan https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130424 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:58:53 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130424 “DIFFERENT than what online guys bring to the table (or, quite frankly are even capable of bringing to the table). Knowledge, skill and expertise.”

“We’re insecure sniveling wimps with and inferiority complex”

You’re saying we online guys can’t bring to the table what the critics can- one being knowledge. You are exactly saying that the online community is uninformed.

Besides that my point isn’t that people who have a degree can’t write critically about films. What I’m saying is that there is a certain elitism that goes along with being ‘Published’ and that there’s no reason why those people can’t be saying the exact same thing online, but without the influence of mainstream media which DO effect the content of what they publish.

]]> By: John https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130399 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:22:14 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130399 Hey Brendan,

I vehemently disagree with your opinion of professional film critics.

As far as me saying online readers are “uninformed” and “dumbed down” please show me where I said that… cause I just read my post over again, and I don’t see it anywhere.

I do lament that when higher analysis and critisism is taken off the map all together it’s a step in the wrong direction for all of us and the film community is worse off for it.

But that is radically different from what you’re suggesting.

]]> By: Brendan https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130398 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:16:37 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130398 Roger Epert is a hack. He as well as other professional critics believe that their word is gospel. You’re right that you’re a fan and you post your opinion, which is why I watch. When they write they try to influence opinion. That’s the difference.

Critics do nothing more than promote an obsolete engine of promoting crappy movies for a little extra money and put down movies that deserve a second look.

The fact is independent movie reviewers and the online community promote and review movies that not only would otherwise not get attention but might otherwise get bad reviews because they don’t live up to and elitist’s point of view.

The fact is YOU John, owe your success to the online community. By you saying that we are “Uninformed” and “dumbing down” opinions on movies is simply a slap in the face to the people and media that made you successful.

]]> By: HisDivineShadow https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130349 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:40:31 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130349 I think a lot of us old farts remember watching Siskel and Ebert way back when they were on public tv. Anyone remember those days… (Am I dating myself?).
They were the biggest thing back then. But now sheesh everyones a critic.

]]> By: nbakid2000 https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130343 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:27:25 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130343 That’s not to say I don’t enjoy film critics – I enjoy historical film critics like Leonard Maltin or that dude — Jerry something, who is a cartoon historian.

Just, y’know, typical print critics – don’t care.

]]> By: nbakid2000 https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130340 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:22:33 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130340 And even if you and Doug are wrong (in my eyes) on a certain review, at least you guys do it with incredible passion that is entertaining.

]]> By: nbakid2000 https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130338 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:20:55 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130338 I don’t care. I’ve never been one to read movie reviews in newspapers. I’d much rather read online reviews from people who aren’t afraid to say whether a movie is shit or not and just tell it like it is. Like you and Doug.

Ebert can’t touch Doug’s style or the smiles he brings to peoples’ faces when he reviews a movie. I’d much rather read a review by someone like Doug than a “safe” review you’d find in print or on television.

]]> By: Ransom https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130146 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:26:58 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130146 There’s nothing I like better than insightful writing that makes me think a little bit. There are definetly reviewers out there who are capable of such a thing and they are on both sides of the fence, online and in print.

It makes no difference to me where I read the review, but the convenience and speed of the Internet is the reason I usually go online. But if I’m closer to a newspaper then I’ll check it out instead.

I think that a big problem with online reviewers is that they are more concerned with their own opinions and have a hard time generalizing their reviews for a wider audience.

I personally don’t even really buy into most reviews because I’ve disagreed with many in the past. Movies like “Rambo” and “30 Days of Night” got mixed reviews, but I loved them both. I can tell from the trailer if a movie will be good most of the time anyway.

I don’t think it’s a shame at all that print reviews are on the decline. Throwing in a bit of film history into a review does not always make it better, usually it’s just pointless. Congrats, you’ve seen a thousand movies, who cares??

]]> By: FunkyMunkey https://www.themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all/#comment-130136 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:59:43 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/04/why-the-loss-of-the-tradition-film-critic-is-a-loss-to-us-all#comment-130136 Mike, I totally agree with your comment about “insightful analysis of a movie”. I have pretty much stopped reading reviews before I’ve watched the movie for exactly that reason: I want it to be fresh when I go into the cinema. By scanning the reviews on websites I can get a good idea of the buzz about a film without ruining it.

I usually wait until after I’ve seen the film to read the reviews because I find they give me a better understanding and appreciation of the film, written by a skilled professional. In that respect, I hope that the traditional movie reviewer does not disappear.

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