I would have gone for Afganastan or North Korea or evan Iran maby bush got Iraq confused with Iran hmm. lol yea that is probly what it is.

We should let it go.

Fredo and 1138 have made some valid statements and I can honestly say that I agree with much of what they posted, with the only difference really being the comment on lowering the amount of nukes. People can argue that it’s about defence, but elimination of nuclear weapons has to be a priority. They’re not a “defence” tactic so much as a fear mongering one. The US (and the supporters of keeping nukes solely in its possession) should be reminded that for every nuke out there, the US has more than 10x’s the amount. Also remember, that it really only takes one to destroy the planet.

Everyone knows, btw, that the president is only a puppet of the people that put him in office. There’s WAY too much money behind him getting elected to allow his fuck-ups to screw anything up.

Drewbecca
Kristina’s comments aren’t asinine. If anything, maybe ill-informed, but they’re not ridiculous, especially considering the “dooms-day” videos one can see on a widely available basis on the web. I believe she has fears that many people have, namely one’s private and personal security and safety.

John
To answer to your thread, I’m not really sure how I feel about Stone making this movie, and really I could go either way on the “watch it or not” decision. It really depends on how one sided it’ll be portrayed. If it’s too “anti-Bush” I’m not sure it’ll answer any questions regarding his mindset. If it’s too “pro” it’ll just make the last 6.5yrs seem like the greatest decisions a president’s ever had to make. There’s got to be a balance that’ll show this president as a person that made some good and some bad decisions, based on whatever information he had at that time. Personally, I do think I’d have made different decisions, and IMHO, I do think I’d have done a MUCH superior job handling the situation (the one in question). I say this based on one, teeny, tiny little thing people tend to overlook (and Angela briefly mentioned): Bush is reading to a bunch of school kids in Florida and is told the US in under attack, and yet calmly sits and finishes reading, before leaving and … whatever. Listen. You’re the president of the most powerful nation on the freaking planet, and millions (if not tens of millions) of people have just heard that NY has been hit by hijacked airplanes, and you continue to sit there and read, without showing any sort of urgency to your people because you didn’t want to come off as panicked, all the while, they’re already panicking and crying for help! You politely say “sorry folks. We have a situation and I must leave” so that people don’t think you’re an idiot and actually give a shit that your country and its citizens are “panicking”.

Yes, we’re the only country to have ever used nukes, but it was from a sound and stable frame of mind – not based on hatred or prejudice, but by “strategery” and necessity. It likely saved millions of lives in the long run and ended the second great war.

So yeah, I think getting rid of our nukes to set an example would probably not only be pointless, but also pretty stupid. Deterrence is important. See Cuban missile crisis.

And “war is never the answer” probably was painting it to broadly. I’m saying we need to ask ourselves if the shedding of blood – if violence – is the only way to accomplish something good. I just don’t see that played out in Iraq. Paint it how you want, but it doesn’t seem better to me. We’ve destabilized the whole region even more than it already was.

NBAKID200, I’m saying if we have nukes, we have to realize that others will have them too. See the Cold War for example. And if someone breaks into my house, I will assume he is there to harm me and my family and will take appropriate action. Despite my calls for peace and restraint, I own three guns.

I believe Fredo settled that argument before you even started it:

“I think people have a right to defend themselves. When the United States went into Afghanistan after 9/11, that was the right thing to do.”

Reading is cool.

We get rid of nukes, and others don’t, that leaves us defenseless. YOU may like having no equal measure of defense from an attack, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

As far as “love and peace and harmony” – yeah, tell that to the dude who’s about to kill you and your wife/kids when he breaks into your house. Tell me how well that works.

As for this movie, while I think Kristina’s comments above are a bit asinine, I do agree with her on one thing: we’ve all lived through this garbage for 8 years and see it on the news everyday and hear about it in the rest of the new media all the time. Why the hell would I want to go pay ten bucks to see it again in a fictional light? That being said, I’m sure I will see it. Am I excited about it though? Hardly.

If you knew it was wrong and that there was no justification for it why on earth would you vote for Bush twice? I am not trying to be an ass I just don’t understand how you can feel the way you do about the Iraq war yet help re-elect the person who started it.

Did you just dislike Kerry too much to have voted for him?