But that wasn’t the point I was getting at when I said the Crow could be an antagonist. I didn’t mean just have some dribbling idiot of a witch doctor take the power for himself; I meant that what if it was the product of a simple error on the bird’s part? It’s been more or less explained that the crow only resurrects souls that have been wronged and want vengeance. But, that’s only if the conditions are right. However, what about the souls who have done wrong and want retribution regardless, like they had unfinished business that was malicious in nature, or at least more so than the good souls?

The crow could be confused by the individual strengths of a soul’s need of revenge and accidentally sends back the wrong soul? A genuinely evil soul? A “good” soul could be summoned later in an effort to take the evil soul back to purgatory. That would be a true “Crow VS. Crow” scenario right there. ^_^

Quote:

“The only connection they have is the supernatural aspect with brings them back from the dead to avenge.

So if one were to take that element out…

What we wind up with is a dude who is presumed dead, paints his face, and goes out for payback. In a nutshell ANOTHER BASIC REVENGE PICTURE”

You were arguing for subtext as context. I said that without the subtext, The Crow is not intriguing. We said the exact opposite things. Unless I’m missing something.

Jake, that’s what I said.

What made Eric’s survival after being shot in the head so powerful was that while this was the context, the subtext was that he was back from the dead. It was symbolism. Powerful symbolism. But when you strip all that away, you just have context. Not as intriguing.

And what made The Crow being a symbol of death so powerful was that Eric Draven wasn’t actually undead. Just dead inside. That’s why he painted himself like that. Not because he was on a revenge spree. And that’s why he pumped loads of morphine and adrenaline into his heart before his last victim, withstanding tons of gunfire to his body before finally catching up to and killing the last person that wronged him on that day. He couldn’t stand to live anymore.

The Crow isn’t your typical revenge story. It’s way, way better. It’s loaded with powerful imagery and depth, and I think that a lot of that could be translated to screen in a faithful adaptation. If the right people did it.

I wonder just how the film will go, with it aiming for a more realistic tone? Perhaps you’re right when you guess that it won’t dwell far into the supernatural, Rodney. If I wanted to see The Crow go a certain way, it would be something like this:

The whole mythos of the Crow involves a spiritual deity (in all cases, a crow) bringing back to life someone’s spirit that seeks vengeance, right? The concept would remain the same, but one thing; What if the crow made a mistake and brought back the wrong soul? Like a mass murderer who wants to hunt down the very people who turned him in? This would still be in line with the mythos, yet be a fresh enough take on the series as it would be portrayed through the perspective of the victims instead and show the “Crow” as an antagonist.

I know it sounds like a typical horror movie, but in this series’ case, it would be a new direction.

I’m not sold. I could understand if the “remake” was more in line with the source of James O’Barr’s graphic novel- but I’m a little shocked.

If it isn’t a remake, is it a sequel? There have been different actors playing different characters who become The Crow. The only connection they have is the supernatural aspect with brings them back from the dead to avenge.

So if one were to take that element out…

What we wind up with is a dude who is presumed dead, paints his face, and goes out for payback. In a nutshell ANOTHER BASIC REVENGE PICTURE

True, the first film strayed away somewhat from O’Barr’s material, but it kept the basics, specifically Eric Draven rising from the grave as a grim avenger. Now, we want to get rid of that *and* Eric Draven too?

Please tell me your “I care” was in jest, Rodney. Because if you really did care, you’d think Norrington has flipped his lid.

I don’t see this getting filmed.