Now, indulge me for a moment as I share a funny little video about Prop 8. (For those of you in the closet, thats the proposition to reverse the law that allows gay marriage in California)
I know its more of a political thing and I have strong feelings AGAINST using a movie blog to talk about politics, but this topic has been brought up in dozens of live shows.
Besides, John is off today doing some flashy PR thing for some movie somewhere, so when the boss is away, the mice will play. Maybe he will fire me and I will have to start my own site.
Anyways, its silly fun, and we get to see the likes of John C Reilly and Neil Patrick Harris singing Broadway musical style and Jack Black as a singing Jesus. If not the message, enjoy it for its entertainment value.
If you were indifferent on the subject you would not have voted.
CHOOSING to vote against it is condemnation. Its not your stamp of approval, but your choice to vote against it was a stamp of disproval.
The entire motion to reverse a law that was already permitted and allowed in your state and others and in the entirety of Canada that has proven to be harmless was deliberately shot down by the people of California.
It will be turned back eventually, once clear minds prevail. And they all those who voted against will have wasted their time disapproving over something that has no impact on them.
Sorry but a as someone who is against homosexual marriage I do not hate those who choose to practice this lifestyle. I will not however vote to put my stamp of approval on it. Do not confuse this lack of condonment with hate. I hold no hate in my heart for you. Perhaps that is why you are confused. If you don’t agree with the way someone lives their life do you hate them?
“Which has nothing to do with the American government.”
– which Jesus ALSO points out.
“Would Jesus condone Gay marriage? No. He wouldn’t.”
Which has nothing to do with the American government.
You think all that is on stake is the redefinition of marriage? Are you shitting me? Read this for one small example of why you are wrong:
http://tragedyoftheage.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/were-still-at-this-point/
Actually no, I dont feel that Darren is right about the Jesus thing. In the video the Jesus character does nothing more than illustrate that the pro crowd is “picking and chosing” what parts of the bible to follow. He does say he doesn’t agree with homosexuality.
Its not a slam at all on Jesus. Silly as it may sound Jesus is properly portrayed for the purposes of this skit.
Jesus hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors and was criticized for it. His answer was that he did not endorse their sin, but he still loved them.
And I am sorry Chriton, but if you can agree that they should have all the rights any couple has, but not allow marriage then you are a hypocrite. Adoption is another non issue. Your assertment that a child NEEDS a mother and a father is silly. Do they benefit? Sure. But they benefit from ANY stable home life regardless of who provides it. Its not an issue of male or female parents.
The point is that it DOESNT bother anyone to allow them to marry. It doesnt hurt anyone. It doesnt change any one else’s status.
Its just ignorant to say they can have it all, but not have it all.
i think darren might be right on the Jesus part. anyway my personal opinion on homosexuals? i dont really care. i think they should have just about all the rights of a regular couple except for getting married. marriage as a term for as long as we all have known is between a man and a women. marriage doesnt really change anything from a domestic partnership. its essentially the same thing. just a term difference. i personally just dont think the term applies to homosexuals. i really have no issue with anything else (other than adoption mainly because i think kids need a male and female mother/father leadership and guidence in their lives. men should teach their sons to be respectable and to take care of their family and such while mothers should teach their daughters to reach higher in society but also to take care of their famly in their own way. anyway i just think kids need male/female influence in their lives and thats why im against gay adoption. other than that stuff they can do whatever they want as far as im concerned. im a strong advocate of giving them the same rights as a married couple such as hospital visitation and stuff. and me personally… i prefer not to be around gay people but i can easily tolerate them, i know several who are nice people and we say hello and all that. as long as they dont bother me and i dont bother them its all fine.
Rodney, it is a Jesus slam, (if not on Christians themselves). Jesus may have spoken out against hypocrites in his day, but that was in regards to those who corrupted the teachings of God and manipulated the people for their own gain. According to the Bible, the public who disagreed with the Pharisees didn’t speak out for fear of being kicked out of places of worship.
But we are putting this in another context. I’m sorry, Rod. It is. If Jesus was the son of God (and I and others believe by faith that he is) or even just a prophet of God- God’s word clearly says that he (God) is against homosexuality. Granted, Jesus would have reached out to the gay community since he preached to the tax collectors, the prostitutes the poor, the blind and the downtrodden.
Would Jesus condone Gay marriage? No. He wouldn’t.
I love how the opposition to same sex marriage harps on this “the voters have spoken” argument, when it is entirely likely that the Supreme Court will, as is their constitutional role, interpret the vote as unconstitutional. There is no concept in our system that says anything that passes being put to a popular vote becomes law and is shielded from constitutional review. The entire concept of “activist” judges demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about the separation of powers, the structure of our government, and the role of the courts. The courts by design are not beholden to popular vote because the framers of the constitution knew that lawmakers and the public would often be tempted to pass laws through either legislative process or popular vote that would violate basic constitutional principles and the rights of other citizens.
Equal protection under the law is a foundational constitutional right in the California constitution. The Prop 8 vote is egregious because it tries to circumvent that foundational right and remove equal protection from a single group. It is unique in American history in that it is the first time a single group had an existing court vetted constitutional right stripped away by popular vote. It has opened a can of worms that if allowed to stand lays the groundwork for popular votes to remove the rights of any group who is unpopular (Muslims, immigrants, racial groups, political groups, etc..)
I know that those opposed to same sex marriage also like to pretend that their position isn’t discriminatory, or bigoted or founded in hate, but that is a personal delusion they are living under which allows them to sleep at night. They can pretend they aren’t hateful, but those of us on the receiving end of their “beliefs” can assure them that if it smells like hate, looks like hate, tastes like hate and feels like hate – then there’s a 99.9% probability that is is indeed hate.
These people are on the wrong side of history and will look as foolish as the bigots in the south who shouted ugly things at black school children as they entered newly integrated schools (another triumph of the Supreme Court).
@ Carl
I support Polygamy always and forever.
3 wives FTW.
I dont know what “Jesus slam” you are talking about. Albeit sarcastic, Jesus was always about rebuking hypocrites.
That was totally his style if not the delivery.
In the past few weeks, there have been supporters of the no on 8 who have engaged in vandalism, harassment of those who supported the yes vote through donations, infringement on the freedoms of religion/speech of others, and calling anyone who disagrees with them full of hate. Then we get Carl up there, a stooge that misrepresents, if not distorts, the views of those who supported the gay ban, be they be in CA or elsewhere.
The people have spoken, that is true. But what is ignored is that people alsohave spoken in other US states such as Connecticut. I am not implying that is a bad thing or a good thing. I’m only stating a fact. Yet nobody nobody against gay marriage is protesting that and nobody for it wants to savor that victory. It’s all about “the injustice” in California and that is what is really sad, Another fact is should the vote in CA be overturned (which it shouldn’t-people put it to a vote, even if some disagree with it) rest assured, it’ll be re-worded and creeping back up in another four years. It is inevitable.
As for the video spot here…with the Holiday season upon us, I find it in poor taste. However if one were to really protest the outcome of Prop 8? This is an acceptable way of doing it in spite of the Jesus slam, which is unnecessary.
The word marriage simply means a bonding or a lasting connection. You want to add words like “man and woman” to the definition is the part that is not accurate.
Adding more words to a definition to better suit your stance is not going to justify the cause.
According to the dictionary, definitions with and without “man and woman” in them are treated as equally accurate descriptions. Furthermore the dictionary lists one last description as “obsolete”
Marriage- Obsolete. the formal declaration or contract by which act a man and a woman join in wedlock.
It is a civil rights issue. By any other means they can be together, commit sexual acts, and even have the freedom to express those feelings, but if they are the same sex, they cannot marry? Its hypocritical to say “they can be married, they just can’t say it”
Proposition 8 has nothing to do with hate. I’m sorry for those of you who want to boil it down to those simplistic terms. It is simply about the redefinition of marriage. Marriage has traditionally been defined as the union of a man and a woman. Simply saying that marriage now means any loving union of adults is not acurate. This is not a civil rights issue and nothing is being denied. I love those who decide to practice this alternative lifestyle as much as anyone else, however I will not say that I agree with their choices.
Peoples rights should never be put up to a vote. if that was the case then most of the red states in the south would still have slaves and blacks and whites would not be able to marry. The church needs to be expelled from government. We all don’t have the same beliefs and one group should never be able to vote on anothers human right.
Lewis – you are correct. For some reason, the federal government has deemed it a state issue, when it should indeed be a federal issue. It is unbelievable and even more unbelievable we are still at this point.
Here’s a Prop * related story about two radio hosts who gat fired for a Prob 8 discussion:
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/talk_show_hosts_fired_for_post_proposition_8_show
I’m not sure how the system works in the states, but isn’t this a constitutional/legal issue (meaning: the supreme court (or some form of legal body) needs to interpret the constitution and deem the prohibition of gay marriage unconstitutional). Since when do you get to vote on civil rights?
The way I remember it, and I have a poor memory, there were no votes during the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s. An argument was made that certain practices (left over shit from the Lincoln’s era like literacy laws and what have you) were unconstitutional and needed to be corrected.
In Canada, it’s not left to vote. It’s left to – ideally – objective readers (Judges, Lawyers) of our constitution.
Inform me.
(Note: now that I think about it… perhaps this was a vote to shoot down a legal decision that made gay marriage legal… and this is just one step in the journey towards the supreme court’s final ruling).
Carl,
Polygamy should be legal. I’m serious. You infringe on one person’s rights, you open the door for someone to infringe on your rights.
And Carl, you are confusing multiple consenting partners in a consenting open relationship with bigamy.
If a couple chooses to have sex with someone who is not their marital partner, it is grounds for divorce but not illegal. Sex with multiple partners is not illegal. So why is it that sex with the same sex is also legal, but if you choose to have a dedicated relationship, it is illegal.
Bigamy is not the issue, and a marriage – union of one person to another – is violated if someone initiates another relationship with someone else. Nothing illegal about a married man with a girlfriend.
Why can same sex couples NOT have the same opportunities as an opposite sex couple, when its completely legal for them to do everything an opposite sex couple does?
You can’t answer that. Which is why prop 8 is wrong. You can have all the feelings you want about the subject, but its not illegal for them to be together, but if they want it official it is illegal.
It makes no sense. All opposition on the subject is based on fear and hate. That is what makes it ignorant.
So when they allowed gay marriage in the first place… I guess it was right then.
Funny that all of Canada has had gay marriage for a long time now and no one even cares.
Well, I’m not gonna defend that guy, I was speaking in general terms, I also think that guy is kinda a douche. Again, he hurts his own cause.
But it’s not “just because [he] disagrees” that Carl is being called hateful. It’s because his initial post included the phrases “nobody want’s fags to get married” , “shut up” and “find a brick wall and start yelling at it, cause we don’t care”. All hateful language where I come from.
I find it annoying that just because someone disagrees they are called hateful.
I also find it annoying when groups continue to force their views on others. I’m not even a supporter of Prop 8, but this attitude grates on me. It was put to a vote, and right or wrong Prop 8 passed, I think the homosexual community just needs to wait a bit, let people digest the idea of gay marriage. Give it time people, you can’t bully and force people into seeing things your way AND contemn them for being hate mongers, it kinda hurts your cause.
sigh…
Psycholocially/Emotionally, bigomy does not satisfy the needs of one or more of the partners in a bigamist relationship. And it’s usually the women who get the short end of the stick (no pun intended). At least – this is all true in Western culture.
Should it continue to be against the law? I can’t answer for everyone, but I would say that if 48% of Californians voted for polygamy, then we should definitely take a look at legalizing it.
Also – let’s not lose sight of the truth here. EVERYONE can already legally get married except same sex couples. NO ONE can legally get married to multiple people.
See where that’s unfair?
I’m not hating, I want to hear an explination. What’s the difference between consenting adults? Why can’t bigamy be legal if gay marriage is?
Carl – after Rodney explains his point to you, can you explain to us how you can be for Jesus AND for hate?
If your for gay marriage, you have to be for Bigamy as well.
If consenting adults want to marry, like one man marrying 6 consenting adult women they should be able to right? They belive there is nothing wrong with this life style.
What different between the two situations? How can you be for one and against the other. Hence the slippery slope.
Please explain.
So your idea of obvious is that just because more people are ignorant that it makes it right?
Its not called “queer” because its unnatural. Get a dictionary. Queer means “strange or odd from a conventional viewpoint; unusually different” Just different from conventional. Strange that you have to change the word’s meaning to make a point? Fail.
And your nature line is also as wrong as your “unnatural” line. Animals will hump anything if they are in heat (maybe you never owned a dog). They only seek out the opposite sex for reproducing instead of pleasure, but when they have the urge, they will hump a tree or your leg if you leave it around.
Ask those people to justify their stand and all you get is ignorance. “It isnt right” “It ruins the sanctitiy of my hetero marriage” “The Bible says so”
Bigamy, Beastiality and Child Molesters are clearly in the wrong for the hurt it causes. How is this in any way related to two people who love each other being told they cant be together? Your opinion is the hate, not their relationships. And supporting gay marriage is not even close to supporting those acts and in no way would endorse them.
Well the bible says to love your neighbour and they are not doing that. Sadly for the thumpers, the bible isn’t the law. Save your “slippery slope” routine for someone who isn’t dedicated to blind hatred.
I look forward to the day when we slide hopelessly into a world of love and acceptance. Bring it on!
that was pretty funny.
Don’t waste your breath, Rodney. Sometime after Carl graduates from junior high school, he’ll see that his comment made him look like an idiot and he’ll cringe when he thinks about it.
Anyhoo – back to the video. Very funny! And if JB was really Jesus, I’d probably start going to church.
Why am I mindless when all I am doing is stating the obvious.
There is a reson it’s called queer. It’s different and un-natural. Look around in nature it’s always male and female.
It’s a very slippery slope if this passes.
In your mind they are doing nothing wrong, well where do we draw the line, I’m sure bigamist, child molesters, and beastalityist all think in there head that they are right as well.
Wow Carl, you have proven why “Prop 8 supports hate”
You don’t care because right now it looks like you won. Sadly social evolution left behind other ignorance like slavery and treating women as second class, so its only a matter of time before someone buries this ignorant proposition too.
So when that day comes and the mindless fucks are outnumbered by people who just don’t want to hate for no reason, you can find your own brick wall to yell at. No one is listening to your hate.
They are listening to social injustice.
It was put to a vote and nobody want’s fags to get married, majorty rules.
So get back in the closet and shut up. If you have any complaints, find a brick wall and start yelling at it, cause we don’t care.
Wow that was magical =)
Isnt that one girl in the backround Elliot from Scrubs?
Too funny.
Thiis great. Here is another that is even funnier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY&eurl=http://www.queerty.com/page/2/
Too funny! I love Jack as Jesus…
Here is another link for a just as funny video about the same thing. I think I like this one even more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY&eurl=http://www.queerty.com/page/2/
i love this. Thanks for posting it. Bigotry cannot be hidden behind a veil of faith.