Comments on: The Worst Excuse For Bad Movies: “They Meant To Do That” http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that The Official Home of Correct Movie Opinions Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:43:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: John http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136233 John Wed, 14 May 2008 17:48:06 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136233 Hey MKFREAK2 Really... me saying "I'm not going to tell you you're wrong" is being "self important"? REALLY? I think you've got that backwards. Point and counterpoint is good... but when the "counterpoint" isn't strong enough to persuade, then all you end up doing is repeating yourself back and forth... at that point debate ends and mindless repetitive verbal diarrhea sets in... eventually degrading to the type of thing you just did... engage in personal insults... like what you just did. Well done. I heard your argument, you heard mine... we don't end up agreeing. Not agreeing to totally cool. Sometimes arguements persuade and brings something new... and if it doesn't, then move on. We don't have to agree to share different opinions and enjoy the exchange. Hey MKFREAK2

Really… me saying “I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong” is being “self important”? REALLY? I think you’ve got that backwards.

Point and counterpoint is good… but when the “counterpoint” isn’t strong enough to persuade, then all you end up doing is repeating yourself back and forth… at that point debate ends and mindless repetitive verbal diarrhea sets in… eventually degrading to the type of thing you just did… engage in personal insults… like what you just did. Well done.

I heard your argument, you heard mine… we don’t end up agreeing. Not agreeing to totally cool. Sometimes arguements persuade and brings something new… and if it doesn’t, then move on. We don’t have to agree to share different opinions and enjoy the exchange.

]]> By: Mkfreak2 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136225 Mkfreak2 Wed, 14 May 2008 17:16:58 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136225 John, you said: "Well, yeah, cause I’m right. No argument here successfully counters my point. But that’s my opinion. It’s not my job to try to convince people who have a different point of view that they’re wrong and I’m right. It’s all about opinion." So, I guess that means we can never have a successful point-counterpoint, educated discussion regarding films, then. It will always end in "Well, it's all subjective, so that's your opinion. I'll stick to mine." You sound incredibly self-important. John, you said:

“Well, yeah, cause I’m right. No argument here successfully counters my point. But that’s my opinion.

It’s not my job to try to convince people who have a different point of view that they’re wrong and I’m right. It’s all about opinion.”

So, I guess that means we can never have a successful point-counterpoint, educated discussion regarding films, then. It will always end in “Well, it’s all subjective, so that’s your opinion. I’ll stick to mine.” You sound incredibly self-important.

]]> By: Dragonslayer http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136219 Dragonslayer Wed, 14 May 2008 17:10:22 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136219 Oh, they meant to have shitty dialogue in High School Musical. Oh, they meant to have the Phantom of the Opera be a little pussy (sorry John, I did not like that movie). Oh they meant to make such a dumb sequel like Son of the Mask. Oh, they meant all that when they made these movies. Bull. Shit. Oh, they meant to have shitty dialogue in High School Musical. Oh, they meant to have the Phantom of the Opera be a little pussy (sorry John, I did not like that movie). Oh they meant to make such a dumb sequel like Son of the Mask. Oh, they meant all that when they made these movies.

Bull. Shit.

]]> By: JamieM http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136150 JamieM Wed, 14 May 2008 10:02:09 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136150 I gather from your reply you didn't bother reading my last post but whatever, your website, I probably wouldn't bother arguing with everyone who disagreed with me if I had a website. Though if I were to write opinionated editorials on that site... Anyway, "John has spoken", I guess it must be left at that. I gather from your reply you didn’t bother reading my last post but whatever, your website, I probably wouldn’t bother arguing with everyone who disagreed with me if I had a website. Though if I were to write opinionated editorials on that site…

Anyway, “John has spoken”, I guess it must be left at that.

]]> By: John http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136024 John Tue, 13 May 2008 21:23:54 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136024 Hey JamieM Well, yeah, cause I'm right. No argument here successfully counters my point. But that's my opinion. It's not my job to try to convince people who have a different point of view that they're wrong and I'm right. It's all about opinion. I'm not going to argue and debate with people just because they express a different point of view and why they hold it. That's exactly what they should be doing. :P Hey JamieM

Well, yeah, cause I’m right. No argument here successfully counters my point. But that’s my opinion.

It’s not my job to try to convince people who have a different point of view that they’re wrong and I’m right. It’s all about opinion.

I’m not going to argue and debate with people just because they express a different point of view and why they hold it. That’s exactly what they should be doing. :P

]]> By: JamieM http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136021 JamieM Tue, 13 May 2008 21:14:53 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136021 John seems to have given up debating this one. John seems to have given up debating this one.

]]> By: Kristina http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136007 Kristina Tue, 13 May 2008 20:05:39 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-136007 Post so long. Responses even longer. My eyes. My eyes... Great post:) Post so long.
Responses even longer.
My eyes. My eyes…

Great post:)

]]> By: The Other James Taylor http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-135999 The Other James Taylor Tue, 13 May 2008 19:47:29 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-135999 Here Here John. Well put. Here Here John. Well put.

]]> By: Grant http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-135937 Grant Tue, 13 May 2008 16:33:39 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-135937 Okay, earlier I gave a statement disagreeing with John. After I thought about it, I could see his point. I do feel that some moviesare meant to be intentionally cheesy, but I understand how for SOME movies, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, and it sucks. Perhaps I should just say this: Just because a movie is good doesn't necessarily mean it's entertaining, and just because a movie is entertaining doesn't mean that it's good. Okay, earlier I gave a statement disagreeing with John. After I thought about it, I could see his point. I do feel that some moviesare meant to be intentionally cheesy, but I understand how for SOME movies, if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work, and it sucks. Perhaps I should just say this:

Just because a movie is good doesn’t necessarily mean it’s entertaining, and just because a movie is entertaining doesn’t mean that it’s good.

]]> By: Glen http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-135885 Glen Tue, 13 May 2008 11:50:50 +0000 http://themovieblog.com/2008/05/the-worst-excuse-for-bad-movies-they-meant-to-do-that#comment-135885 I agree with John as well. A movie can recognize its cheesy, campyness but still be a good movie. A bad movie is a bad movie. However, I don't think is analogy of a diver fits in this situation. When a diver steps up to the edge of the platform, both the diver, the coaches, any informed audience members and the tv comentators all know what dive the diver is attempting. So the judges know exactly what to look for. There is some subjectivity built into it as one judges score will be different from the next. Although each dive is judged on its own merits (then held up against the other divers to determine a winner) there is a multiplier built in to each dive (the degree of difficulty) that is applied to each dive before it is even attempted. So while "bad diver" meant to give a bad dive it's may have a "negative multiplier" attached to it before the diver even attempt it. Movie criticism (judging) is much more subjective. And while movie of certain styles/genres maybe more popular or garner critic acclaim there is no built in (degree of difficulty) modifier. As well there are no "standards" set to define such modifiers. For example (simplistic): Dramatic film: + 10 Involving a Gay Relationship: +7 Gay male relationship: +10 Gay male cowboys: +15 Set in 50's - 60's: +10 Out of a possible 100 score: this movie has a 52/100 before anyone even judges it because of it's content. In other words, because it attempts something that has been deigned to be more difficult to achieve the lowest score it can possibly get is 52. I agree with John as well. A movie can recognize its cheesy, campyness but still be a good movie. A bad movie is a bad movie. However, I don’t think is analogy of a diver fits in this situation.

When a diver steps up to the edge of the platform, both the diver, the coaches, any informed audience members and the tv comentators all know what dive the diver is attempting. So the judges know exactly what to look for. There is some subjectivity built into it as one judges score will be different from the next. Although each dive is judged on its own merits (then held up against the other divers to determine a winner) there is a multiplier built in to each dive (the degree of difficulty) that is applied to each dive before it is even attempted. So while “bad diver” meant to give a bad dive it’s may have a “negative multiplier” attached to it before the diver even attempt it.

Movie criticism (judging) is much more subjective. And while movie of certain styles/genres maybe more popular or garner critic acclaim there is no built in (degree of difficulty) modifier. As well there are no “standards” set to define such modifiers.

For example (simplistic):

Dramatic film: + 10
Involving a Gay Relationship: +7
Gay male relationship: +10
Gay male cowboys: +15
Set in 50′s – 60′s: +10

Out of a possible 100 score: this movie has a 52/100 before anyone even judges it because of it’s content. In other words, because it attempts something that has been deigned to be more difficult to achieve the lowest score it can possibly get is 52.

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