Bryan Singer talks Superman Returns Sequel
Looks like Bryan Singer is setting his sights on the Big Blue Boyscout. In a recent interview he states pretty clearly that the sequel to Superman Returns is well underway.
SuperheroHype quotes Singer:
“I’m just getting back with writers after the strike. We’re just in the development phase. I’m starting to develop a sequel…with the intention of directing it,” he told the magazine.About the negative reaction to the first film’s focus on the drama instead of the action, Singer added, “The first one was a romantic film and a nostalgic film… And now that the characters are established, there’s really an opportunity to up the threat levels.”
Now before we all get on the barking list against Superman Returns, I wasn’t overly impressed with it. That being said I also didn’t hate it.
Singer is just one of those people I have to trust with Superman. He did fine by me with XMen and though he didn’t put out the best Superman movie, I can forgive him considering the work he has done in the past. He is also a big geek and I would hope that he learns from his mistakes.
So with Singer moving forward, Routh almost a sure thing to play Supes, and all of our hopes that a Superman sequel wont suck, Singer has just one thing to do to make it all right.
Do everything different.
1. Get rid of superkid. No really. Kill the kid. Make this the driving force that tempts Superman’s morals. What happens when you piss off the most powerful superhero ever? Will he kill out of rage? Vengence?
2. Get us a superpowered badguy I like Lex as much as anyone. He is an awesome villain - no doubt. But lets have Superman face someone that makes him flinch.
3. Action We need a LOT of action. Have superman stop a meteor shower from colliding with earth. Just kicking the shit out of every last rock, tearing his outfit up, slapping him around. Save the world dammit. And do that before the opening credits. Then do better for the rest of the movie.
4. Get over Lois I know its the archetype of the character, but for ONE MOVIE lets not have Superman be smitten to a flaw and distracted by it. Let him be distracted by his own conflict that drives his character. “You can’t save them all”. That is more of a cornerstone of the Superman persona than anything. It defines him and he has to live with it every day. All this power and STILL people suffer.
So Mr Singer, I hope you are reading this. (Don’t all movie writers read this site?? Why not??)
110 Comments, Comment or Ping
movie replicas
i’m glad you didn’t write this post like a letter… for example like that transformers letter to michael bay. :P
Mar 11th, 2008
DON
Rodney I am sorry to say this but truth is Singer cannot do action. He simply cannot. He has a very boring and bland action style. That does not mean he isn’t a good director. He is simply not fit for comic book flicks.
X3 was a drop down in quality but you have to admit that thh action scenes were much better and cooler than X1+X2.
Mar 11th, 2008
quinlain2040
I should point out that while Superman Returns was certainly not the type of Superman movie I was expecting, I didn’t hate it the way many people did. The tone of the movie was surprising but I feel that if a few of the other flaws were remedied, the subtle, emotional tone could have made it a very unique superhero film. Unfortunately, the flaws that I just mentioned dragged the whole movie down for me. Those flaws being; super boy, Lois the pill, and every link to the 80s movies. That last one is the real problem to me. Many people (those too young to remember the 80s movies and those that remember but didn’t like them) hate the portrayals of Lex as a lousy con artist and the goofy comedic bits. Those portrayals are completely at odds with the comics for the last 20 years as well as the success of the themes introduced in the Smallville series. Now I should add that Smallville is far from perfect but it added layers to Clark Kent’s personality that, at long last, made him a compelling character. In Superman Returns he was the same old cardboard cut out Superman or the comically clumsy Clark Kent. What a shame. I really don’t want to see that happen again. I think Singer is far too in love with the 80s movies to realize that many people hated the last movie because of that.
Whoa, sorry for such a long post. I guess I just had a rant.
Mar 11th, 2008
Slushie Man
X-3 had better action then X-2? Please…
Mar 11th, 2008
AjaxLou
Word is that Orci and Kurtz - screenwriters for Transformers and STXI are getting the nod for this picture too.
Mar 11th, 2008
koko
Singer did a sick as fuck job with the AAeroplane sequence at the start of Returns, if only he had’ve kept up that sort of pace. Singer CAN do action.
Mar 11th, 2008
MovvBuzz.com
Interesting points. I agree with #2 the most.
Mar 11th, 2008
digital drew
X2 > X3
(that means X2 is greater in every way)
SINGER : YES WE CAN!
superman returns had some pretty emotional scenes for me, him returning and entering the plane, made me feel the same way the distraught passengers did. I had to catch my breath, it was unreal. but then yes…. he need to show off his powers more, and not just blow his load in that montage scene with the superbreath and heat/laser vision.
Kill the kid, sure why not, that would be interesting. and maybe forget a love interest in the next one. I always felt supermans Villians (aside from lex) were always pretty weak, compared to batmans and spidermans. those villians really stood OUT. And there were so many in the comics. If it were up to me, Id create a new threat for superman to fight. someone new, dont do doomsday, save that for later.
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Drew
Mar 11th, 2008
Jay
yes, yes, yes…
Agree completely.
Mar 11th, 2008
clone_tk422
koko says… “Singer did a sick as fuck job with the AAeroplane sequence at the start of Returns, if only he had’ve kept up that sort of pace. Singer CAN do action.”
Agreed, well said.
one thing that pissed me off nostaligia wise is, not enough of seeing Clark transform into Supes. I may be off here but to me a bit highlight of the 80’s movies was seeing how he quick changed from Clark to Superman.. you had different ways of doing it every time, the revolving door, falling out a window, in the alley, behind the hot dog stand etc.. I absolutely love these moments in the Chris Reeves movies and we need more of them in current version.
I really got annoyed at the start of the movie, hes running down the street and pulls open his shirt to reveal the S and I thought here we go.. I was so pissed when they didnt show the costume change at this point and see him takeoff as the next scene you just see him in the air.
The only costume change we got to see was in the elevator and this was so-so. I’m sorry but that first change in the street should have shown the whole thing.. Him Changing and then taking off
Mar 11th, 2008
digital drew
to clone_tk422’s point…
They should, for the first time ever show him changing into supes in his own speed, so the rest of the world is frozen or in extreme slow mo, they way they sometimes do on smallville. show the buttons rip and fly off, the glasses come off, maybe even explain what he does with his clothes when in a phone booth.
Mar 11th, 2008
xgdfalcon
Bring on Lobo.
Mar 11th, 2008
THUORN
Bring on Darkseid.
Mar 11th, 2008
Kristina
Lois wouldn’t be a problem if they cast someone who could portray a woman(WOMAN, not girl) worth taking a Kryptonite shank to the kidney for. I have YET to see a comic book movie that had a love interest that was worth the trouble the guy goes through to keep her. Lois Lane is supposed to be a ballsy, gutsy broad, not a whiny teenage girl who flails her hands about like she’s having a hissy. I laughed at the wardrobe in the film, putting Bosworth in all these dull brown colors to make her look older. Why don’t you CAST SOMEONE OLDER who can actually convey more than one emotion(dumbstruck) on her fucking face?! If they made Lois into the badass that she is supposed to be, you wouldn’t hear anyone whining about Lois getting in the way. Fuck, I wish I could clone Lena Headey and put her in every fucking movie that requires a woman to do more than stand there and be helpless.
Mar 11th, 2008
Kristina
Bring on DOOMSDAY.
Mar 11th, 2008
DarkKinger
I wouldn’t mind Zod, but I am starting to think the sequel needs a fresh new bad guy (like Doomsday) to make an impact (like killing the kid) before having Zod aim for extreme payback.
Mar 11th, 2008
Vek
I despised Superman Returns and the news of Singer returning means a continuation of that shitty, shitty movie. I have zero interest with him attached. ZERO.
And X-3 did have way better action.
Mar 11th, 2008
John
YAY! More Superman
Mar 12th, 2008
pika
I can’t wait…..anything superman is always good!!!
Mar 12th, 2008
alfie
How many times do we hear this news?? this is like the fifth time over the past three years that there has been a story along the lines of
“Singers on board and he promises heaps more action!!!!”
there will be a reboot but I really doubt we are going to see a singer/routh superman sequel.
Mar 12th, 2008
tyrone
I think it was the nostalgia of Returns that either turned people away from it or made people really appreciate it. I was a huge fan of the 80’s film and was not dissapointed with the sequel like approach to the previous 3 films. Let us not think about 4. With nods to the other films we had characters fleshed out and also we did not have to see a complete rehash of the characters like what they have done with that poor excuse for a show Smallville. come on people laptops and mustangs in smallville hahahahahahaha. Small town yeah right.
I do not mind who directs the next movie but let us hope we have Roth back, a decent villian (s), less Lois, no super kid and more action. Singers action is a bit boring but the few scenes there are I do rewind time again as I love the imagery. The airplane scene and supes falling from the sky are beautiful to watch reminds me of Alex Ross artwork.
Mar 12th, 2008
Kevin C
I dont mind that they brought in new writers, even though I would have liked the whole team to get another shot at the sequel.
I am worried however, with Orci and Kurtzman being tabbed for this. I loved Transformers, but the strength of that movie was NOT the script.
I hope Singer doesnt leave this project. At least he will bring some continuity and hopefully still has some creative control over major plot points.
I think Singer is smart enough to give the fans what they want this time around, so bring it on.
Mar 12th, 2008
Campea Fan
WHY THE FUCK DON’T THEY CONTACT YOU BEFORE MAKING THEIR MOVIES?!?!?!
Mar 12th, 2008
Darren J Seeley
Of Supey Returns, I always thought it had the right cast, just a bit off in the right casting. In other words, if I was the casting director, I would have tried like the dickens to convince Singer…to have Parker Posey switch roles with Kate Bosworth. If you went to all that trouble to cast Routh as Kent/Supey because he “looks” like Chris Reeve, then why not cast an actress who more resembles Lois Lane?
Don’t get me wrong. I think Kate is a good actress. I also think they (the casting directors) should have kept looking.
As for the Kid, I don’t want to kill him off. Why? Simple. Pick one possibility:
* We find out the kid is really the Son Of Zod as Zod raped Lois without her knowing and the kid is an evil seed;
* We find out Supey is actually on a false Earth thanks to Mr. Mytzlplk;
Mar 12th, 2008
kevin.
I actually enjoyed the new Superman movie. It wasn’t as good as the original first two (which was made as one movie, I believe), but I definitely thought it was a well-made homage.
I totally agree with your points — and for #2, like another poster wrote, I think they should go totally crazy and have Doomsday as the new super-villain. I trust Singer enough to pull off a good sequel… I don’t trust him to stay with it, however — I hope he doesn’t ditch this movie the way he ditched on X3.
Mar 12th, 2008
NYCKing87
Singer is a good director. But like many good directors, mistake decisions are going to be made. The problem with Superman Returns, was that there was simply too much focus on drama and the relationship between Clark and Lois, aswell as the fact that there wasn’t a super powered baddy giving big blue some trouble.
However, from what Singer said, he’s realized that for this next film he’s going to have to up the ante. That’s a good thing.
Mar 12th, 2008
Meli
LOL @ Kristina - you took the thoughts right out of my head.
I’m all for axing the kid and by the time they get around to making and releasing this movie he won’t be as little, so it won’t be like killing a puppy.
Mar 12th, 2008
Kevin C
Thats actually one of the first thoughts I had after seeing Returns. I loved that they put the kid in there and I thought the final scene where Superman repeats to Jason what Jor-El had said to him was one of the more powerful scenes in any movie that year, definately my favorite.
All that being said, I felt the best way to go moving forward would be to use the chilkd against Superman. There really is no place for him in the story and no one wants to see Superboy and to ignore him altogether would be bad.
The best route to go would be to kill him. It would be an amazing driving force for a character like Superman. It would asmazing to explore how a hero like Superman would deal with the loss. Hes not Batman and hes not a vengeful character, so what does he do?
Mar 12th, 2008
Kristina
@Meli
Thanks. I’m not a feminazi, but when it comes to women in film and how weakly they are portrayed 99.9% of the time, I’m about ready to shave my head and burn my bra. The shit is ridiculous. I’ve never been kidnapped. I don’t stupidly wander into the bad guy’s lair with my fucking bastard child in tow. I don’t lie to a decent guy about who my baby daddy is. I’m aces when it comes to writing reports for school. Shit, I’m more Lois Lane than fucking Bosworth.
Mar 12th, 2008
Meli
@Kristina
I hear you! I’m so tired of all these crying, whining women! How hard is it to write an independent woman? Drives me up the wall and has me sounding a lot more feminist than I like.
Mar 12th, 2008
sleeve
I hope Brainiac is in at least one Superman flick before it’s all said and done.
Mar 13th, 2008
Hollie
What is going to happen to supermans son in the sequel is he going to die and will superman find out who killed his son and if jason doesn’t die will he ever fly by his side in the sequel.
Mar 23rd, 2008
Mark
come on where is batman in all this. - bring the black knight in and yes yes yes - doomsday is the trick. Follow the doomsday “death of superman” That is just an excellent series
Mar 29th, 2008
The D
I have just three words on any Superman Return sequel:
“KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!”
Apr 2nd, 2008
arthur
Here’s how the movie needs to be….Lex kills Supe’s son, Superman finds it terribly difficult to deal with it while being there for Lois. That’s the drama part, meanwhile a giant asteroid is one it’s way to Earth and fragments of it begin to hit the Earth and create all kinds of weather changes that Sup has to come to the rescue for and do his best action and really show his strengths. Finally , Sup decides to that the only way to stop the Planet Killer Asteroid is to destroy by flying straight into it with all his might, even if it costs him his life. With the most powerful Superman soundtrack music playing to his greatness!!! Now, that would be insane , awesome!!!!
Apr 14th, 2008
O-Dog
They should have John Williams score the ENTIRE Film. John Ottman didn’t write good enough music on Superman Returns. The only time the music connected with the movie were the opening credits, and when they they used John Williams’ theme.
OH, and more action please!
Apr 15th, 2008
Andy
(Type your comment here. Make sure you’ve read the commenting rules before doing so)I loved superman returns, i also agree 100% with what RODNEY said. I want to see supes punch something, get angry, get really challenged, and at the same time have all the emotions like the first, becuase that was fantastic.
I loved all the characters is Superman returns.
Using Jor-El’s voice was very powerful, i was moved actually. Nice touch.
So, keep the emotion, and lets get some awesome superman action all before the credits like what RODNEY said, haha i liked that, thats what i want too.
Andy
Apr 15th, 2008
Jason
Here’s a start to making Superman a box office smash in the states. MAKE THE MOVIE PRO AMERICA for a change.
It was a huge let down for them to remove the “american way” from the list of superman attributes. We still are the driving force in the world for freedom, economic growth, and the betterment of millions of peoples lives.
No country has freed more people than we have, no country has ever spent more money trying to make the world a more free and better place.
You want super status and super profits, dont bash your home country. You dont even have to say it literally, look at what transformers did and they only put in hints about the greatness and the stand up nature of our military personnel.
Apr 20th, 2008
Jason
Quick update here as well, these are American Icons they are using to broadcast to the world, how about send a positive message about us and the amazing things we can create.
Apr 20th, 2008
Rodney
Jason, I don’t want to sound anti American here, but the “American Way” wasn’t left out as much as it was not directly observed.
Superman doesn’ t have to be American just to honour your gung ho spirit, but also keep in mind that your sheltered view of the “good” that the US is doing is shared only by Americans. This is a movie they hoped to show in other countries other than your own that could care less about attaching this character to your flag.
The movie took place in the US, and that is good enough. Superman isn’t about being an American. He is about being a hero.
Also, keep in mind that Joe Shuster, co-creator of Superman was a Canadian.
Apr 20th, 2008
gary
Get rid of Supermans weakness. Everybody finds Kryptonite. Let him fight proper Supervillians. A proper fight with Doomsday.Let him loose with all his Superpowers, not just occassionally.
Apr 23rd, 2008
Rodney
Gary, this is the thing that makes Superman so great. He is the most powerful physical being on the planet with all these amazing abilities and a simple meteor rock can make him as fragile as a baby.
Seeing Supes open up a can of whoopass would be cool, but you don’t have to take away his weakness to do that.
Supers has to hold back his powers to maintain his “humanity”. He has to learn to drink from a glass without shattering it. His greatest powers are the very things that make it HARD for him to be human (which he feels he is despite his genetic origins)
Apr 23rd, 2008
joe
Itll also be nice to see superman take off diagonally instead of everytime he flies its straight up and down, left and right, i kept seein him on a string (imaginable one) . Also he looked really cartoonish alot of times, sometimes new technology doesnt mean better.
Apr 23rd, 2008
Rodney
Maybe he just likes to go up, up and away.
Just sayin.
Apr 23rd, 2008
SHAWN
(Type your comment here. Make sure you’ve read the commenting rules before doing so)the movie was good, wasn’t great. the director is perfect, the action not enough. the actors are good, not great, but not needed. THE HAS TO BE A SUPER VILLIAN. that was the problem with ang lee’s hulk. screw the army! leave the kid alone, less lois, and show something of a menace for him with his powers, DOOMSDAY IS THE WAY TO GO!
Apr 30th, 2008
Rick
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Enjoyed the returns movie with the more realistic flying sequences, but Clark needs to be more characteristic instead of an imitation of Chris Reeve’s portrayal allowing Mr. Routh to develop into his own persona. The costume is impressive, but I feel that the “larger S and an S on the cape with the halter-neck is a more manly and traditional design, but keep the S belt buckle and 3D effect look, if you adopted a combination of this old and new design I am sure supes would show even greater screen presence.
Apr 30th, 2008
Julio
Okay. After reading all the posters on this site, I have to admit you guys know nothing about Superman, or Doomsday, or any of his baddies. Okay, I will agree that Kate didn’t or couldn’t do an independant woman like Louis Lane. I mean, some of you are right. How hard is it to write an independent woman? I think the best man that did that was James Cameron with Sarah Connor in both Terminators, Sigourny Weaver in Aliens, and many other females in his films that didn’t cry or held back from kicking a guy in the nuts, which is what the real Louis would do.
Getting back to Superman Returns. I liked the film. You can hate me if you like, but Singer brought something to the light that we all have ignored or forgotten since Supes has been around for like 70+ years! The man’s all alone! There’s no one like him on earth! But that’s because TV and other media have ignored the fact that Superman has been married to Louis in the comics for like 16 years now!! So he’s not alone anymore. You all know this, right?? So let’s cut the bullshit and update all these movies and include something new and fresh. In Returns, I didn’t like the kid idea, but if Supes and Louis got married in the sequel, then it’s fine.
Doomsday in the sequel? Give me a break!! Shoot me perhaps!!! How many times do you guys want to see Supes die and come back? Doomsday is a 1 dimensional character that his only job was to KILL Superman. Let’s leave it at that. Luthor? I hate the way Luthor was protrayed in Returns. The Lex Luthor I like was the businessman Luthor because this character built his wealth by selling death, and Superman was always there to stop him.
Now, more action in the sequel? I have one battle for you that I would like to see in a big budget Hollywood movie. Any of you have seen the late 90s Superman The Animated Series? The one battle that I’ve always wanted to see in live film was Superman versus Darkseid! I’ve never seen Superman take a beating from a demigod and loose at the same time he triumphed when he defeated him (look it up in youtube. The episode it’s called Legacy). Now that would be the sequel Singer should make. The defender of truth and justice versus a demigod dictator that vows to no one and wants everyone to submit to his evil will. That’s a villain that Superman should be pitted against. It could even be a trilogy - Superman and The New Gods.
Sorry for the long post, but somebody had to set the record straight, whether you like it or not.
Peace.
May 4th, 2008
Rodney
Well Julio while you are busy setting the record straight, I have always said that Superman needs a villian like Luthor. His moral compass won’t allow him to murder Luthor and he isnt superpowered. Brains vs Brawn. Supes cannot be hurt, so giving him a nasty badguy is not going to help.
That being said, we still like to see Supes open up a can. His speech to Darkseid in Legacy sums that up exactly. While he was learning how not to crush glasses in his hands and being SO careful all his life he really felt good letting go and giving Darkseid his all.
Superman is about Superman, not Clark Kent. People get it wrong when they assume that Superman is Clark’s secret identity while it is the other way around. He pretends to be human, and he pretends to fit in to normal society. He craves to. That is the personality.
Lois (and the bastard son storyline) was the only part I didnt like about Returns. I strongly think that Lois and Clark have a place in the Superman movies, I just dont think it should ONLY be that.
The record doesn’t need to be set straight. I understand Superman better than most as I have been reading his comics for almost 30 years.
May 5th, 2008
Julio
Rodney, I agree with your post and I will not question your 30 years of Superman history. Personally I just wanted to bring a few things to light that some of us, or those not familiar with Superman might have forgotten.
About fighting Darkseid, it’s only because I would like to see Superman fight a bad guy that can take a beating, and yet be meaningful storywise unlike Doomsday. With Darkseid it’s not about Superman fighting someone who can challenge him physically, but someone who can also challenge him psychologically and not turn out to be a bunch of senseless violence because I know Superman is not about that. Darkseid would still make a great villain on film, wanting Superman as his knight to fullfill his ambitions. But I know that what a fan wants, it’s not what the heads of Hollywood would perceive as a great money maker. They’re still stuck with the tried and true superhero storylines.
Anyways, Superman and Luthor will forever be nemesis and “Brains vs Brawn” will describe their conflicts till the end of time. But Luthor needed to be refreshed in the movies. Personally, my favorite Luthor version was the Machiavellian industrialist of the 80s. I thought it would’ve been a great twist and pose many challenges for Superman in Returns. I actually thought that when Luthor swindle the old lady from her money, that was the version everyone was going to see, but oh well.
Peace.
May 5th, 2008
John
Superman Returns was such a horrible movie. I was a child of the 80s and loved to older movies, but a Superman movie needs to have better actors, writers and a director who understands how to do a male driven action movie. Routh barely spoke in the movie and the lady who portrayed Lane was all wrong for the part. Also, whats up with supes having a kid…hell if they were going to give him a kid it should be in a trilogy and the kid only makes an appearance at the end. Also, the lex from smallville is a better lex for today than spacey. Routh and Singer and majority of the cast should not do this movie, because it will take years to get a proper superman movie.
May 5th, 2008
Erik
I don’t understand why you guys are all down hard on Singer. I loved Superman Returns. Sure, there were some points that were slow, and more than a few times I said, “What in the world were they thinking”. But I have to say I loved the movie. And after watching it a few times, I came to appreciate the moments where I said, “What in the world…” What Singer did, he did good. The scenes that WERE action in superman returns were great–the airplane, earthquake, etc. The scene where Superman was being beat up was especially compelling, and it really conveyed the hopelessness of his situation. I admit, it needed MORE action, but what it did–it did good. Besides, I hate going to movies where I shell out 10 bucks and it is all over in an hour and a half. All that said, Lois Lane was horrible, and they definitely need a new actress to play her! Oh, and one thing I was really disappointed was the lack of some good “slow motion” shots. This is one thing I absolutely love about Smallville. The whole “world frozen, but superman at normal speed” is just an amazing way to convey his speed and power. I can only pray that this is taken advantage of next time! Sorry bout the long post…
May 10th, 2008
Clark
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1. Get rid of superkid. No really. Kill the kid. Make this the driving force that tempts Superman’s morals. What happens when you piss off the most powerful superhero ever? Will he kill out of rage? Vengence?
Yeah, killing kids is what Superman is all about. The real problem with superhero movies is adults think they should be made for them, not kids. Superman isn’t Wolverine,The Punisher or Batman. Why the fuck do you people always want some psychotic, dark, evil guy to be your heroes? Maybe if you took one step out of your mom’s basement for 5 seconds, you’d see that world isn’t such a bad place and kids still love REAL good guys. Any comic movie that would even consider killing off a child just because fans( just a small, loud segment by the way) don’t like it, should be ashamed of itself. This is just as pathetic as all the nitpicking about how dark his suit was in the last movie.
May 13th, 2008
Rodney
Wow Clark. Totally missed the point.
I never said that SUPERMAN should kill the kid. And a character does not have to be dark psychotic evil guy. I like that Superman is morally just and clean. I wouldn’t have the character portrayed any other way.
The point of killing the kid is twofold. Not only does it remove a completely unnecessary plot device, but it challenges Superman’s morals.
How close to the line will he get before rising above his base instincts for revenge or violence. It has always been the dichotomy of the character that he is completely capable of taking over the planet unopposed and still chooses to help those in need.
Your morals are only as good as they are when they are tested. Batman attempts to save even worthless criminals from falling to their death. Same as Superman. He wont let someone die to serve justice. It would just be interesting to see Superman get tested.
As for your assumption that superkid is disliked by a small minority of fans, I suggest you surf comic book forums, other sites like this, and movie reviewers. The minority likes the kid.
And I do not understand how a criminal committing a vile act would steer you away from the movie. To use your own phrasing “why the fuck do people always want” a villain that is only vaguely immoral? What’s wrong with a truly detested badguy?
May 13th, 2008
Clark
Okay, I guess I misinterpreted your point on the idea of killing the kid off . I wasn’t talking about Superman doing it either, I meant anyone, hero or villian. I was trying to make the point that from what I’ve seen in forums, message boards etc.( and I don’t claim to be an expert on these things) that alot of fans of comic book heroes today seem to prefer darker personalities and I would hope that Superman doesn’t go down that road. I was a bit harsh in my comments and I appologize for that. I just want a superhero movie that I can go to with my son and not have to worry about explaining why superkid died, thats all. X3 was a perfect example when the killed off half the XMen. It sucked. And as for a truly detested villian, I’m all for that, I can’t wait for Dark Knight to see Ledgers portrayal of the Joker.
May 14th, 2008
Orginal Generation
(Stop Whining). Sorry I disagree with anyone who says Singer did not do a fine job on Superman Returns It was a risky adventure stepping up in Reeves shoes to begin with, however the first 2 superman movies with what special effects they had in those days were great however the 2nd pair of the 4 were lousy and sadly created not Reeves fault but for someone who grew up on the comics cartoons and movies and tv series I really enjoyed this movie because for the first time our generation got to see Superman look like he really could fly and the story was a good kick off to build up to more better movies, this generation really is spoiled when it comes to hero movies look what your fathers and grandfathers had to watch now they can bring the comic books to life with all the tech so just enjoy the movie for what it is, a movie a fantasy and keep real.
May 15th, 2008
Nyght81
I was not very happy when I first found out Tom Welling wasn’t even considered for the part for Superman Returns. Brandon Routh ended up doing a decent job, but for continuity reasons, I was hoping the part would go to Tom Welling because I’ve followed Smallville since day 1. I do wish Singer would have made Lex much darker like Michael Rosenbaum’s character because the character of Lex has come so much further than being the con artist comedic type. With that being said, I still enjoyed Superman Returns because Superman has always been my favorite comic character and it truly is hard to screw it up. Well, the morons who made Superman IV had to work very hard at screwing it up because they did a bang up job of screwing the pooch. Doomsday would be a good baddy to see, or Bizarro. Zod has already been done, Singer needs to do someone else first before bringing Zod back to the picture. Kate Bosworth being picked for Lois Lane I think wasn’t the best idea either. Not only was she really not fit for the part, the way her character was written made it that much worse. Erica Durance plays an AWESOME Lois Lane in Smallville. I think Kevin Spacey did a good job as Lex. And while on the subject, has anyone else seen the stupid crap that is to become the Justice League movie? Brandon Routh won’t be Superman, Christian Bale won’t be Batman…it just won’t line up with the current movies.
May 18th, 2008
Lemon
i LOVED superman returns I agree it wasn’t what i was expecting, but i gave it 2 thumbs up. i’m not an action movie person so i was glad that there wasn’t too much of that. i think it was able to appeal to more then one taste -there was the action, the romance and the mystery of the kid- i don’t really think they should kill the kid, for now at least. it could give some interesting story lines.
as for the character choices. i think Tom Welling would have been a good choice, but since he already plays superman on smallville, it would have seemed like superman returns was part of smallville. Kevin Spacey was great as lex but Kate Bosworth as lois… not so much. she was just ok, not my favorite.
i can’t wait to see what the sequal will be :-)
May 18th, 2008
Bolisk
After all these years and so many failed attemptes. . .when all the planets aligned, and a new Superman movie actually started filming. . .I hand never been more excited to see a film in my life. This I found strange because I could not believe I was more excited for a new Superman movie, than I was for the Star Wars Ep1 when that began filmin). I’ve always been a huge Star Wars fan. . .and I’ve always just liked superman.
When I went to see those two movies. . .neither of them lived up to my expectations. I wondered if that is because I’ve been waiting for so long. . .and had built up so many stories / ideas in my head of what I wanted to see. . .that it would be impossible for a director to make me happy.
Now, after a while has passed. . .I can safely say the following. Star Wars Ep1 was not a good movie. There are too many things to list that was wrong with that movie. To prove my point. . .since Ep2 came out. . .I have never watched ep1 again.
I cannot say the same for Superman Returns. The more and more I watch that movie. . .the more I love it. It took me a while to dump my pre-conceived notions about what I thought it should have been. . .and began to enjoy the movie for what it was. . .as re-introduction and a strong foundation for future greatness. There are many great scenes in Superman Returns. . .and I contine to watch that movie. . .eager for more.
As a counter point. I drug my wife to see Superman Returns when it was released. . .and she did not think it was very good either. However, she’s watched it a few times after and now really likes it. She even cries when sups get the crap kicked out of him by lex’s henchmen. Superman Returns seems to be one of those movies you have to see a few times to really appreciate it. . .I don’t know why.
Having said that. I completely agree that Kate Bosworth is completely wrong for Louis Lane. Terrible on all levels. The kid should probably die in a sequel, and Kevins Spacys version of Lex was better than Gene Hackmans from the 1970’s. Sorry everyone. I love Gene Hackman in Superman 1 and 2 (although I liked Richard Donners version of 2 MUCH BETTER. . .you have haven’t seen the Richard Donner cut. . .you MUST), but Gene’s lex surounded himself with complete idiots. . .and the campiness is too much. I honestly believe that Michal Rosenbaumb’s lex (from smallville) is the best lex portrail of all time. Smart, cunning, guiltless.
I though Brandon Routh did a great job in returns. . .and he should stay on for future movies. Personaly, I was one of those guys that really wanted to see Tom Welling in the movie. I think he was born to play clark kent / superman. I can’t see him doing anything else (kinda like mark hamel). However, after seeing Routh. . .I was sold.
Speaking of Smallville. Smallville really is a great idea, and I love (almost) all the new spins they put on the charaters. Purests will hate smallville, because of the way they bastardize the origional ideas and story lines. But if you divorce yourself from the 70+ year old song and dance, the creators have putt a really nice and refreshing modern spin on the small screen. . .without destroying mythos. Yes there are some “filler” episodes that are terrible. . .but the “plot moving” episodes are almost always great.
Lastly. . .did anyone (besides me) spend the time or money to read the Superman Returns novel? I read it before the release and LOVED it. Then I saw the movie and was very dissapointed because SOOO much had been cut out of the film. Stuff that I had heard was filmed but dumped in editing (some shots showed up in previews). (scenes like Cark actually at krypton). Just wondering if anyone had the same opinions.
Lastly. . .I hope my preconceived notions do not ruin the new Indiana Jones movie. :)
May 19th, 2008
Steve
Bring on Doomsday! This would be a positive direction for the Superman franchise to show action, death, and mortal decisions for the man of steel. Have the city wrecked up a bit… bring the mood into a sombre, black, and depressing state. It will help move the story along towards a 3rd installment of Superman.
Take a good look at the animated version… see what that brought us in terms of a storyline, that can certainly be used as a blueprint for this kind of character study - an immortal dealing with death - to save the world. How awesome would that be!?
Don’t do a soap-opera… don’t do Lex again… don’t do the love story without loss of some type.
Do it right… or don’t do it at all.
May 19th, 2008
Green
Lets stick to the comics, remember that is where the stories come from. stop trying to put lois and elx out of the picture they are in the comics. keep to the script. stop trying to change what is already there.
if you want more action and superbad villains, create your own superhero. superman is done. if you are to make a sequal, stick to the script.
May 21st, 2008
Rodney
Green, I am as much of a purist as anyone. But keep in mind that there are MANY more characters in the Superman comics than just Lois and Lex.
And the comics didn’t have superkid either.
There is no “script” until they write one. The comics are not the script, they are simply the source material.
According to your theory, if they were to stay true to the comics, none of the Superman movies would have happened. He uses powers Superman doesnt have, fights villians that were never in the Superman comics, and has adventures never found in the pages of the comics.
May 21st, 2008
Ladybuggs
I guess I must be in the minority because I loved this movie, saw in the theater 3 times (twice in 3-D) and can’t wait until the next one. I do agree 100% that Kate Bosworth was the worst thing about the movie. Not only was she all wrong for the part of Lois Lane (too young) but the whole anorexic look that she had going kept distracting me from the movie. Every time the did a full body shot of her, I kept thinking that she could really use a cheeseburger or just any type of food. I agree that they need to get rid of the kid some how, maybe Darkseid could kill the kid and they could have a knock down, drag out fight like the one at the end of the Justice League Unlimited series, where Supe beats the hell out of Darkseid (btw, best cartoon fight scene of all time). We all know they won’t kill the kid, too many people would freak out if they killed a kid in a blockbuster action movie. Just an idea, but really to save the next movie either force feed Kate Bosworth some food so that she can be watchable or get a new Lois Lane. Anyway, loved the movie, eagerly awaiting the next one.
May 24th, 2008
SuperFan
The movie was just so-so, but i don’t know why, maybe because I’m a huge fan of the SuperScout or maybe they kept playing the John Williams score, I thought they pretty much captured the spirit of our favorite Superhero. No, seriously, I was totally floored when they used the original score in the opening credits, being a younger fan I never got to experience the earlier movies on the big screen. I guess Singer didn’t do much of a job where action was concerned, except for the plane-crash sequence, I wasn’t much of a fan of the action in the first two X-Men movies, and no offense meant, he converted Superman into chick-flick material!!! I completely agree with Julio, Luthor’s old hat, and if we still have to see him again, give us the newer version of Lex, the head honcho of Luthor Corp. and the dark multi layered character and the only villian in the Super-Universe who can beat Superman and still get away with it….come on, you guys did it with Smallville, why not in a movie? As for the action part, one,no, two words- Darkseid. And Darkseid. Come on, if it’s Doomsday, it’s gonna be action and no storyline, just smashing and punches and nothing else. We all liked Zod in 2 cuz there was a story attached to the action. Think Darkseid, think a superpowered villian that can think like Lex and has all the glory of Zod and Doomsday combined.
And please, please, please get rid of Bosworth and her funny forehead, we want a decent Lois, and I AM surprised that noone here even mentioned TERI HATCHER!!!
Point is, get rid of Singer, Bosworth, AND the kid. He has no story, even if he does, it’s gonna be one sloppy mess that fans won’t forget in a long long time. And never think of casting Tom Welling, can’t risk the show going off air!!!
Jun 5th, 2008
NOTAPUTZ
Fuck Smallville. If he had made the movie ANYTHING like that show it would have been ten times worse than it was. All in all, the refrences to the late 70’s Chris Reeves Superman movies were what saved the flick. To those in the “know” Superman 2 is the basic standard for all superhero movies. “But was it as good as Sueprman 2?” is what they ask. Not “uh, I totally dig smallville better man.” Smallville is sensitive WB type garbage with cookie cutter pretty boys and girls that only exist in hollywood. Its pretty craptastic. The Superman Returns sequel should have a pissed off superman and some high powered villians… Doomsday, Bizarro or something…
Jun 9th, 2008
Louis
Great!!! Can’t wait to see it. Yes it is true, doing everything different will make the film better. Sure kill the kid, give him a super powered villian, but the thing is, I would like too see some of the orignal superman. Changing the character is great and all, but some things you just have to leave alone to make a great movie. I mean years back when they did the remake to godzilla, yeah it was a good movie but the mood of the film yelled out Jurassic Park (which for me kinda kills the whole godzilla thing). Changing the storyline - “Great” but the character you just have to leave the superman we all have grown to love.
Jun 11th, 2008
Mike
Kill the kid ?? are you out of your mind ?? and get over lois ??
what’s wrong with you man??……. i have a suggestion…
you better consult a psychiatrist , you psychopath………..
Jun 12th, 2008
Rodney
So I am a psychopath for wanting to remove the parts of the movie that no one likes, while validating a possible storyline that would TRULY explore a Superman story?
I suggest you reconsider.
Jun 12th, 2008
Lois
i like the storyline about the superkid i think it will be interesting watching superman teach someone else how to use their powers. I also want to see a more gutsy Lois like the one in the Smallville series.
Jun 13th, 2008
Khalel
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Agree with everyones comments above re the plot and casting weaknesses. However, why has no one picked up on the fact that the SFX in Superman Returns were absolutely pathetic! Take the scene where Supes rescues the plane/shuttle and the camera pans below the aircraft and you see Brandon Routh beneath holding the plan up. If you look closely (and you don’t even have to do that really!) you’ll see it just a GCI image of Routh/Superman, similar to how you had the GCI images of Keanu Reaves in the Matrix films. These GCI ‘people’ just do not look real! So, why is this important. Well, for the Superman movies, remember, the point of transforming the cartoon character into the feature film successfully was the famous tag line of the first movie: ‘You’ll believe a man can fly’. In the Donner film, the mixture of pioneering techniques, blue screen and the use of real actors made us believe Christopher Reeves could actually fly. Whilst in Singer’s shit film, we believed that a computer image of Brandon Routh could fly.
Any comments??
Jun 14th, 2008
RDJ
Just my 2 cents.. I always assumed with the way supes dumped the Kryptonian land mass into space built by Kryptonian TECHNOLOGY crystals that we could possibly see a return of the mass with a being born fron the “HINT” TECHNOLOGY crystals a Kryptonian TECHNOLOGICAL being… maybe with a name that sounds like i dont know crainiac ;-)… what if this being took over the body of i dunno a earthling who has the blood of a Kryptonian and maybe depending on his age accelerated his growth to become a true living flesh and blood being integrated with Kryptonian knowledge and TECHNOLOGY who is strong enough to make supes hurt… and what if Mr. Fly Boy cant bring himself to kill this new threat because of emotional ties so this this villan lives to threaten another day…but nevermind because good ol clark is the only one on earth with Kryptonian blood right? Not according to Lois… or I guess technically Singer. What a perfect way to bring supes to the bring of insanity I say… just my opinion tho
Jun 14th, 2008
Andy
I still cannot understand why so many people didn’t like superman returns. I loved it, but thats me. I was enjoying it so much that i felt as though i wanted more when it was over, and thats probably my only flaw with the movie. More supes and more Clark! I do agree that we needed more action, but at the same time the story line in superman returns was beautiful and touching. In the scene where superman was getting beat up by Lex’s goones i was completely emmersed in the scene and began to feel sorry for supes. When superman said goodbye to Lois and flew obove the clouds up to the sun to get his energy recharge, with that music playing, that whole scene was just beautiful and amazing, it gave me goose bumps.
What im trying to say is, all of that to me was fantastic, so with all of that and a combination of more action from supes would be awesome for a sequal.
Jun 14th, 2008
sheldon
As a fan of all things superman. The plus outwayed tha cons for me in Returns. Although i wanted more action i would have minded seeing further devolpment with Clark Kent. Smallville (in its first 5 seasons) found new depths in his charecter that i think would be a benefit to another silver screen attempt. The action sequences in Returns were absolutley fantastic, there just wasnt enough to keep the pace. I agree with what has been poreviously mentioned, get rid of the Kidd, stupid idea as this dictates the sequels and as an initial bad idea it will only spirral, possibly not kill him just strip his powers!!! and how come lois wasnt more surprised at the revelation of a superkid…um wasnt her mind wipped of the whole experience? in super 3?
All in all i cant wait for the sequel, Returns: not a bad effort…still alot of room for improvement!!!!!!
Jun 16th, 2008
Bowza
Personally, I think they should just forget about Superman Returns and redo the whole story, like they’ve done for the Hulk. Smallville, I think, has run its coarse, so why not end that series and let Tom Welling done the tights in a movie. Then again, one of my criticisms to Superman Returns (in addition to all the other posts; Singer’s ego got the best of him and it slapped him the face) is that even Superman seemed too young. Isn’t he supposed to be around 30 when he first hits the scene after his education in the Fortress of Solitude? I know Reeve was around the same age as Routhe,in the first Superman movie, but he presented more maturity. They would have to cast a new Lois too. The one in Smallville is annoying with no presence.
Jun 23rd, 2008
Rodney
See Bowza, your problem is that you want your cake and eat it too.. You want Welling as superman. That means its a Smallville movie. They can’t make a Superman movie with Welling in it that wont tie it directly to Smallville. The Superman story told in Smallville is a deviation of the comic or the movie continuity.
Also, if you want a Smallville movie… it will have Smallville actors in it. They can’t recast the ones you dont like because then its not smallville.
Jun 24th, 2008
LANCE
Superman Returns was disappointing. It was a love story. Im a huge Superman fan and i was truely let down. The next movie HAS to have more action in it. And the actors HAVE to be replaced. The actors in Smallville fit the characters perfect. Get Tom Welling to play Clark Kent in the new movie! Or just someone that physically fits the role better this time. I hope Singer reads these blogs and others on the internet. I got my hopes up last time for Superman Returns, dont want to be let down again. Singer needs help on makin an action movie or he just does not need his hand in the movie. The writers and director of Iron Man need to make the new Superman movie!
Jun 24th, 2008
LANCE
REBOOT!!! NO SEQUEL!
Jun 24th, 2008
Rodney
Lance, all the talk says there will be more action, bigger badguys and more action.
They are sticking with the same Superman, I just hope that if they stick with the same Lois that she plays her sharper and more sarcastic.
Jun 24th, 2008
Mark
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Superman Returns is the best of all Superman movies.
Can’t wait for the next one.
Jun 25th, 2008
kevin
well, great to hear that superman is coming back, but the story is like abit off from the actual comic, about his death, his greatest fight against doomsday, oh… i really love to see that to put into movie!! superhero fight is really awesome.
Just like the HULK(edward norton) kick the ass out of the bad hulk. :)
I hope 2009 will be the year for superman’s…
Jun 26th, 2008
GBQ66
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Bring in a superbad guy or an alien invasion that almost kills him…then bring out the Batman to tell Clark they need to form the Justice League!
Jun 26th, 2008
Darth YEAH!!
Kryptonite done. Kryptonian villians done. The cloning of superman is done. Superman vs a poxy, rocket firing Commodore 64 computer is done. Now we need something that pushes him to the point of almost certain death. Like someone said, with his pretty suit torn, ripped and bloodied. Bring in Doomsday. But bring a new dimension to him where he’s not just a muscle and fists brute but is also incredibly intelligent. I wish when these directors attempt to make these superhero films that they really take the time to do intense research and look up references, i.e. comics and animation. And not just watch it the once.
Jun 27th, 2008
D. Cashier
look i know that it’s been a couple of months since this was posted. the date today is 6-28-08. now i know people probably won’t read this but i just had to speak my mind. 1 becuase i am a huge dc comics fan. now why not start a little fresh like batman begins, just scrap the entire 80’s movies, and start from the begining. make lex just like the animated series a tycoon who is always involved, but never get his hands dirty. also one big word, BRAINIAC. bring him into the movies becuase he after all he is one of supes biggest enemies. also more superman less clark kent. don’t get me wrong i like the idea, but it is superman, not smallville. so just a couple of ideas i just had to thow out there, i know it’s a little late, but u know what they say. for those of you who are a little slow, or full blown re re’s (it’s better late than never
Jun 28th, 2008
Superman Fan
I am not sure I agree with the comments about killing off Superman’s son. I am curious how a director would take that concept. I understand the idea of killing off the child and seeing what Superman would do, but like I said… I am curious how Hollywood would take the concept of a super child that is not weakened by Kryptonite.
I do agree with the comments about having a more formidable villian (or villians) for Superman.
clone_tk422 - I agree with you about seeing Clark changing into Superman. I think it would have been just as entertaining now as it had been when Christopher Reeve was playing Superman.
Jun 28th, 2008
Bring back Superman
I do agree with the idea of killing his kid. Kids get in the way, and there is no way Superman can watch over him all the time and take care of him when he has the rest of the world to take care of.
Definitely bring a new villian! One that may kill or come pretty close to killing him. I want to see Superman get pissed!
I do agree with getting rid of the romance between Lois and Superman but her and Superman are very cute together so it may not be such a great idea. Besides Superman needs someone to love.
& all the X-men movies were awesome!
Jun 29th, 2008
Kelly
I thought Superman returns was below average. The Airplane scene was great, but the rest was just bland. Uh Oh, it’s Lex Luthor. He’s doing a real estate scheme with Kryptonite…why does this sound so familiar?
My biggest pet peeve with any superhero movie, is when the writers completely disregard the source material (comics) and just go crazy. X3 was a perfect example. Cyclops and Xavier Die? Yea…
Superman Returns did that to me with the kid. When I realized it was Superman’s son, I actually felt my stomach turn. How many years worth of comics did it take for Superman and Lois to even start dating? Now, all of a sudden he has a son? An illigitimate son at that.
Okay, last thing. Did anyone else notice that they turned our favorite boyscout in to a complete and total STALKER! Serious! Think about it, Superman was hangin outside Lois’s house, in the bushes, X-raying through the walls and listening in on the conversation. I’m sorry, but the Superman I grew up reading and watching (God Bless You Chris Reeves) would never have invaded someones home like that. Then at the end, he sneaks in her house into the kids bedroom…Creepy! Dude, why didn’t you just knock.
Basically they just took a comic icon, and turned him into a creepy stalker with a kid and super powers. That was the story…oh yea, Lex and his Kryptonite (Blah, Blah).
Jul 2nd, 2008
Rodney
Kelly if you have been reading this site long everything you have said has already been said about this film. Lex and the real estate scam etc.
But to address some of your points. Xavier and Cyclops both died in the comic books a couple times (and came back) and currently Xavier is dead in the XMen comics. Just sayin.
Also, the Lois and Clark romance happened in Superman 2 (Superman Returns disregards 3&4) and while he was de-powered they shared a romantic night in the fortress of solitude. Boom. Kid.
And its Chris Reeve. Not Reeves. And if you were watching the movie you would know why he couldn’t just knock.
Jul 2nd, 2008
Darth YEAH
Hey RODNEY, just wanted to point out a little comment you made about the ‘de-powered superman and then boom, a kid. Not according to the directors cut of superman 2 which also disregards 3&4. In the directors cut, supes and lois have a romantic night BEFORE he loses his powers. If you or anyone can get to see the directors cut of superman 2 (and I don’t mean the rubbish one they sell as a dvd special because it still has loads of bits cut out), you’ll find it quite interesting.
Hey KELLY, your comment - “My biggest pet peeve with any superhero movie, is when the writers completely disregard the source material (comics) and just go crazy.” I couldn’t agree with you more.
Jul 6th, 2008
Batman
Just watched Superman Return yesterday.
What can i say? It’s utter rubbish.
The only saving grace is the aeroplane sequence. It tries too hard to be the 80’s version of the Superman…hello…this is 2008. Lex is way too cartoony like the Chris Reeve version.
Louis character sucks ( as a babe and an actress) and come’ on… A KID???!!! This is gotta be the killing point of the movie. If they want to bring on a kid, fine, do it in the last movie (expect a trilogy). but not now!!!
What can be done now is:
1) Instead of killing the kid, reveal the kid is not Supes son, but the son of another alien shapeshiftter who bangs louis while he wasn’t around. And this alien shapeshifter is related to Kryton…
2) Kill Louis. Yes, kill the bitch. I’m sick of Supe looking like some teenager having a crush on an older woman. It’s makes me puke.
Now Supe is free to go on a Rampage.
3) Bring on Doomsday in the final movie….and the kid, being an alien and all, accelerate growths and become an adult by third movie, gangs up with Doomsday and fight supes to take revenge on Supe for killing his real father, (the alien shape shifter) in the 2nd movie.
Jul 6th, 2008
EazyRyder
Writing good stroyline for supes is always tough .. him being so awesome and all .. he needs a real challenge ..
though i am all for killing the child (real real bad move on singers part) and totally dispensing with lois lane … it would be better if theres a conflicting emotion such as supes given a choice between saving lois/kid and the whole humanity .. that would be awesome …
also it would be great if they show supes in all his glory .. dishing out some real heavy punches and getting really really pissed out …
it would really shut up the batman fans who rant on how bats would defeat supes … give them a taste of a angry supes … let them show that if faced with a angry supes .. bats would shit his pants …
Jul 7th, 2008
Jonathan
This sequel is going to rock! I want to see so much action I can’t sit still. I still want Lois Lane to be the love interest. I don’t know about the kid. Don’t give him a larger role. I don’t know. I just want the movie to happen. SR was awesome, and the sequel will be greater!
Jul 11th, 2008
Sketch
You can’t simply dismiss Lex or Lois. They will need to be in the film at length. But they will also need to be along for the ride as it were as Darkseid or something worse really takes it to the Last Son of Krypton.
Jul 13th, 2008
Bats
I’ve been wishing for Darkseid to kick Superman’s ass on the big screen for years. Why is this so difficult? Why is Superman such an easy character to fuck up?
Jul 16th, 2008
Bats
Oh yeah…the kid needs to go. No point in even creating that character. That was weak and stupid. Who’s fuckin bright idea was that?
Jul 16th, 2008
Verisimilitude
GET RID OF SINGER, GET RID OF BOSWORTH & GET NEW WRITERS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY READ CURRENT SUPERMAN BOOKS!
Singer cannot do action, I agree with the thousands of people who have said this. He is a fine director, no doubt, but an action packed movie he cannot do, nor does he have the creativity to do so..why?
The Airplane scene took far too long. He may be trying to show
the detail of how delicate it is for Superman to save a falling
airplane, but it took far too much film and effort from Superman.
And…
Why the hell did Superman have to go to where the scientists say
Krypton is? Can’t Superman…..
A) USE HIS SUPER TELESCOPIC VISION (this is the superman
of the 80’s which is pre-crisis, as such he is extremely
powerful)….or….
B) USE THE ADVANCED ALIEN TECHNOLOGY IN HIS
FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE TO CONFIRM IT.
Superman didn’t have to leave earth. Singer could have used
some other reason….why have him leave to begin with?!?!
And why in the blue hell did Kalel crash his ship back to earth?
A) by the time he got back into our solar system, his kryptonian
cells would have started absorbing Yellow sun energy and
he could have flown back to earth on his own power.
B) why the hell was Kalel weak when he crashed? Again this is
a testament to the poor directing and writing in the movie.
These are just the tip of the planet-sized iceberg of problems
with Superman Returns….and don’t get me started about the kid.
THE KID SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN PART OF THE MOVIE/STORY.
There is a ray of light here, If we get rid of singer, bosworth and
the writers, then start over much like the Incredible Hulk did, this
will be a fine start. As for the story/plot of the movie, I have only
one thing to say.
ACTION COMICS #775.
If Warner Bros. can make a Superman Movie based on this self
contained story, I guaran~damn~tee, it will be one of, if not the
best super hero movies of all time.
Jul 21st, 2008
T.V.
This movie has so many big stupid elements, it’s unforgivable:
1) Bosworth - what IDIOT casted her? Why is that boring ass bitch Lois Lane?
2) The kid - what were those idiot writers thinking? Please tell me I don’t have to see this stupid kid in all sequels. Kill him off in the next movie immediately.
3) Superman as Peeping Tom - what the hell was THAT all about?? Com’on man, this is something Superman does?
4) All the many stupid scenes throughout the movie (as many previous posters have point out).
Jul 24th, 2008
JL Fisher
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Ok - I guess I’m in a minority on this site. I liked the kid. Bosworth did not thrill me and I don’t like that the script had her make such bonehead choices, like take her precious offspring on an investigative side trip (remember, she did not know Luthor was on that boat.). She was also too young and too skinny.
I liked the kid. I just would not build the script for SR2 around him, that’s all. Send him to boarding school, or something, for his “safety”, but I object to killing him off. That would be the WRONG thing to do at this point.
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Jul 26th, 2008
EazyRyder
completely agree with verisimilitude .. singer has to go .. i mean singer and the writers has managed what doomsday couldnt … they have fcking destroyed superman effortlessly … look what a super duper job nolan has done on the dark knight …. i mean the recent writers have fcked superman up .. showing him to be a lameass wimp … Superman TAS was a super crap .. supes battling giant robots and getting bitch slapped in every episode … JLA season 1 was a horror for supes .. same story .. supes getting his ass whipped every second …
FOR CHRISTS GET SOMEONE WHO HAS READ THE COMICS AND ACTUALLY LIKES SUPERMAN ….
as verisimilitude says read action 775 … that was one hell of a story …
Jul 28th, 2008
McBatman
I thought the film was ok. The acting/directing for Lois was completely wrong though. A reboot would be a bad idea as it may mean re-doing the origin.
Darksied or Doomsday would be too much too soon. Yep, having Superman “die” to Doomsday would be pretty damn cool & the level of destruction in the film would shame everything else before it, but he’s only just back.
How about Mongol or Sinestro for the bad guy? (GL could get introduced to the general masses that way, as a tiny bit part)
Lobo & Brainiac were suggested earlier & could make for a good movie (not together though).
Jul 30th, 2008
NEOMTB
Important note: Bryan Singer didn’t direct the final X-men movie, which was a drop from the first two directed by singer.
Have him kill Lex or at least cripple him. Doomsday would be perfect - have Superman die at the end with a link to his resurrection in a following movie. A slug fest is needed.
Jul 30th, 2008
Rodney
Neomtb… we know singer wasn’t on the third movie.
They can have a movie without Lex. Plenty of rogues to go around.
Doomsday will not be in the movie. It’s just not in the cards.
Jul 30th, 2008
NEOMTB
Check out “DON” at the top. Anyway it comes down to want the film makers think is marketable Rodney. Its not a comic its a film adaptation.
However remember there’s probably only going to be two more movies in this franchise.
So kill Lex, bring on Doomsday at a time when the effects available would do it justice.
Jul 30th, 2008
Ann
Okay, first of all…I am a 30 year old woman and I loved Superman Returns. I also loved the original movies with Christopher Reeve and I was delighted to see that they kept the storyline from those movies. For all of you people who say to lose Lois…are you kidding me??? Why do you think women are into Superman? We WANT the love interest there! I love the action too and there should be a lot of that, but hello, there has to be emotion and his longing to be normal and to be with Lois is a huge part of the Superman draw for me and I am sure for many other women. I do agree though that Kate Bosworth was way too young to pull off a feisty Lois. I was not impressed by her performance at all. They needed someone older and more assertive in that role. I also think Brandon Routh could be a bit better too. He needs to be more assertive as well and just needs some better acting skills. Hopefully with this second movie, he will be more confidant to pull it off better. I say keep the storyline nostalgic to the 80’s movies. That is what I love about it so much and many others do too! That is one thing I don’t like about Batman, he’s with a different woman almost every time, there’s no consistency there.
Jul 31st, 2008
NEOMTB
Yes part of Superman is his relationship with Lois Lane. But there have been times when he has put that on hold to be Superman the “Our Worlds ar War” saga comes to mind. Sorry but potential sequels shouldn’t be a chick flick he’s a superhero. Plus she’s with someone else (rightly or wrongly). The story has to move forward - maybe bring back ZOD - that was the best old film, but new is better -which would be best with Doomsday.
As for Ann’s comment about the Batman - part of him never holding down a relationship is his hardline committment to protecting Gotham - it will always come first.
Jul 31st, 2008
dooby
I just couldn’t get over why Lois never questioned how she could have had a child by Superman. Her memory was supposed to be wiped by the ‘kiss of forgetfulness’ at the end of Superman II.
Aug 1st, 2008
Andrew Hinton
I cant believe what I’m reading . First of all Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh had their work cut of for them from the start. His directing style was true to the classic films yet comtemporary. Routh on the other hand had to walk in the footsteps of the late Chistopher Reeve and he did did one hell of a job and last of all kill the kid are you nuts that storyline is just too rich to abandon Richard White thats another story
Aug 5th, 2008
Khalel
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Does anyone know if and when they are gonna make a sequel? I heard there were legal obstacles again.
Aug 8th, 2008
Raj
Superman Returns was pleasing but not too entertaining, it was more like a drama,rather than a action movie considering its basics coming from a Action Comics,
the costume was not perfect as the Red wasnt red anymore, neck opening was too small, if u read the comics or seen the animated movies, or the previous Superman 1, u wud kno the proportion was definetly missing, the way shoes looked were like boots made in paris, the ‘S’ Symbol was very Prominnet but somewhat small considering the wide chest like in the comics, and the belt was a bad one again y wud they shift the S symbol from the cape to the Belt, it was silly!
the Story
hardly following up to the comics its rather still the Richard donner story maybe back in the 70’s or 80’s to make the movie in line with the comics the technology was under question but this was lil absurd approach, this story cud hv been a mixture of the same richard donner & the action comics part but they have wasted precious money, time & effort doing a sluggish one…
Performance
Brandon Routh was perfect for the Role
Kate Bosworth was pretty & bland
Kevin spacey did wat singer told him to do
the rest of the cast nothing to remember about them..
Cinematography
Sad one not a Bright enigmatic weather, kinda gave me the feeling that it was always rainy, not the sunshine Metropolis we see inthe comics…
i hope they reboot the frachise entirely, its high time people get to see the imagination that is gone in2 the present comics and the icon we worship called superman, its heartbreaking to come across movies so deviated from the actual storyline…..i hope the Warner brothers me out…!
Aug 15th, 2008
D
I love this guy called Raj - he has been my superhero since the superhero times
Aug 15th, 2008
Khalel
Why is everyone ignoring my comments? The sad comic book lonely geeks that you are!
Aug 18th, 2008
Rodney
They are ignoring you because the sequel is still being talked about. No one knows when it is going to come out.
Aug 18th, 2008
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